In-vivo Gene Silencing: Knocking Out Genes?

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The discussion revolves around methods for in-vivo gene knockout, specifically focusing on techniques such as siRNA and the Cre/LoxP system. Participants explore the potential applications and challenges associated with these methods in the context of gene therapy and cancer treatment.

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  • Some participants inquire about methods to "knockout" genes in-vivo, citing the HOXB7 gene in cancer patients as an example.
  • One participant mentions that siRNA can be used for gene knockdown in both in vitro and in vivo settings, referencing a specific article.
  • Another participant introduces the Cre/LoxP method as a way to conditionally knock out genes in vivo, emphasizing its application with tissue-specific promoters.
  • Concerns are raised about the limitations of the Cre/LoxP method, particularly its requirement for genetically modified organisms.
  • Questions are posed regarding potential leakage of unbound mRNA fragments that could lead to protein translation despite gene silencing.
  • Participants discuss the possibility of engineering viruses to deliver siRNA DNA into target cells for intracellular production of siRNA.
  • One participant reflects on the slow progress of gene therapy over the years, citing historical cases and ongoing research challenges.
  • Another participant distinguishes between "knocking out" and "knocking down" genes, noting that incomplete knock-down can occur with RNA interference techniques.
  • Engineering enzymes like zinc-finger nucleases and homing endonucleases is mentioned as a potential method for gene knockout, though challenges in human application are acknowledged.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the effectiveness and applicability of different gene knockout methods, with no clear consensus reached on the best approach or the current state of research in this area.

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Limitations include the dependence on specific genetic modifications for certain methods, the potential for incomplete gene silencing, and the challenges of applying laboratory techniques to living human patients.

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This discussion may be of interest to researchers and practitioners in genetics, molecular biology, and gene therapy, as well as those exploring innovative approaches to cancer treatment.

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Thanks.

Although more effective, it seems the Cre/LoxP method only works on "made-for-experiment" subjects. (Those with LoxP spliced into their genome).

siRNA, from my understanding, can interfere with gene expression post-transcriptionally and therefore can be used on an unprimed (if you will) genome. I feel this route has more promise for clinical applications. A few questions.

Is there any leakage from unbinded mRNA fragments that then do get translated into proteins?
Could one tailor a virus to splice the siRNA DNA into a target cell so the siRNA could be manufactured inter-cellularly? (I.E. Lytic cycle without the virus parts)
 
skisci said:
Thanks.
Is there any leakage from unbinded mRNA fragments that then do get translated into proteins?
Could one tailor a virus to splice the siRNA DNA into a target cell so the siRNA could be manufactured inter-cellularly? (I.E. Lytic cycle without the virus parts)

This study was designed as a "proof of concept" and was published in 2003. I only cited it to answer your initial question. I'm not active in research anymore so I can't advise you of the current status of this approach. You might try to contact the authors.
 
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skisci said:
siRNA, from my understanding, can interfere with gene expression post-transcriptionally and therefore can be used on an unprimed (if you will) genome. I feel this route has more promise for clinical applications. A few questions.

Gene therapy has been pursued for more than a decade, with not much success:

http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/medicine/genetherapy.shtml

I'm (somewhat) familiar with the case of Jesse Gelsinger. He had a variant of cystic fibrosis, which was identified as a candidate disease for gene therapy since the lung is an easy organ to target (inhale the carrier).

People are still trying various approaches with some success, but progress is very slow.
 
Andy Resnick said:
Gene therapy has been pursued for more than a decade, with not much success:

http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/medicine/genetherapy.shtml

I'm (somewhat) familiar with the case of Jesse Gelsinger. He had a variant of cystic fibrosis, which was identified as a candidate disease for gene therapy since the lung is an easy organ to target (inhale the carrier).

People are still trying various approaches with some success, but progress is very slow.

****. The immune response didn't even cross my mind
 
skisci said:
Is there any leakage from unbinded mRNA fragments that then do get translated into proteins?

Yes, you can still have low level protein expression even thought the mRNA from is being silenced by RNA interference. In fact, biologists make a distinction between "knocking out" a gene (removing or disrupting a gene such that the cell is incapable of producing the mRNA for the target protein) and "knocking down" a gene (using RNA interference to silence a gene). Incomplete knock-down of a gene is a potential problems faced by those using RNA interference. However, if this is the case, one can still design better siRNAs or combine multiple siRNAs to achieve a better knock down of the target protein.

Could one tailor a virus to splice the siRNA DNA into a target cell so the siRNA could be manufactured inter-cellularly? (I.E. Lytic cycle without the virus parts)

Yes, people engineer lentiviruses (the same family of viruses as HIV) to integrate sequences that express the appropriate siRNA into cells. This technique works well for cultured cells, but as Andy said, there are problems with using this method in living humans.

Another approach being developed to possibly knock-out genes (as opposed to knock-down) is by engineering enzymes that will bind to specific sequences in the cell's DNA and cut the DNA to either introduce mutations that might inactivate the gene or to allow foreign DNA to insert into the cut site. The two general classes of enzymes being developed for these purposes are called "zinc-finger nucleases" and "homing endonucleases."

While these methods have had some success in a laboratory setting using cultured cells, it would likely be difficult to use these in living human patients.
 

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