In your opinion what are the most elegant physical processes?

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The discussion centers around the concept of elegance in physical processes, encompassing both classical and quantum phenomena. Participants share their personal views on what they consider elegant, with examples ranging from synchronization and electromagnetic interactions to biological systems and innovative energy production methods.

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  • Some participants propose synchronization as an elegant process, highlighting its surprising nature and ease of understanding.
  • One participant expresses admiration for the reciprocal relationship between electric and magnetic fields, noting how they form waves.
  • Another mentions the concept of negative mass in electrons and the implications of the Liénard-Wiechert potential for moving charges.
  • Several participants emphasize the elegance found in biological systems and ecosystems, discussing emergent properties and the complexity of life.
  • One participant describes a solar energy process for hydrogen production as elegant, citing its environmental benefits and innovative approach.
  • A later reply humorously suggests that the simple act of a baby smiling can also be considered an elegant physical process.

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Participants express a variety of perspectives on what constitutes elegance in physical processes, with no clear consensus on a singular definition or example. The discussion includes both scientific and personal interpretations, indicating a range of competing views.

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Some contributions reflect personal preferences and subjective interpretations of elegance, which may not align with traditional scientific definitions. The discussion also touches on complex systems that are not closed, highlighting the interdependence of biological and environmental factors.

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levelzdey
These can be classical or quantum. There is no correct "answer" and everything is based on your preference.

But in general let us stick to "elegant" processes which arise as "surprising" or "very easy to understand" solutions regardless of how complex the underlying equations and formulations are.I'll start things off with:

Synchronization
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I think this should be posted in the General forum.
 
I like the way a magnetic field creates an electric field and vice-versa and how they form a wave :smile:
 
Surprising

Negative mass - for electrons moving in a wire [IIRC]

Using the Liénard-Wiechert potential for a moving charge: The electric field vector due to the charge, for an observer, points towards [or away from] the charge's present position, even though the retarded potential is used as the basis for the calculation.
 
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Life itself, and the complex networks that you find in an ecosystem.
 
I see no elegance in this dusty world. Only in the smoothed out equations that physicists use to model it.
 
MATLABdude said:
Life itself, and the complex networks that you find in an ecosystem.
My personal favorites are estuarine wetlands. I wanted Marine Biology after I first saw a grainy video of pro, meta, ana, and telephase. ...but the economic draft of the mid-80' made me choose being a Marine instead. At least I was always near the ocean.
 
sensing in living beings, in real times.
 
I like how one composes his life his way and form a symphony without realizing it... Is this related? :biggrin:
 
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came to this thread to say what's already been said: biological systems are the most elegant physical systems from a not-what-Jimmy-Snyder-meant way. That is, the emergent properties of biological systems that we observe are what's elegant. That life can find so many different permutations of perpetuation (i.e. homeostasis) with a finite set of "master genes".

It is even quite possibly an objective statement to say that biological systems are the most elegant systems in the universe.

But then, biological systems are also not closed systems, they are required to output heat (entropy) and take in nutrients to maintain homeostasis. They are coupled strongly to their environments, some of which are other biological systems, some of which are geophysical systems (atmosphere, ocean) and some of which are periodic energy sources (the sun and tides).
 
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Elegant

Background – The SOLHYCARB proposal addresses the exploration of an unconventional route for potentially cost effective hydrogen production with solar energy. The novel process thermally decomposes natural gas (NG) in a high temperature chemical reactor heated by concentrated solar energy. This process results in two products: a H2-rich gas and a high-value nano-material, carbon black (CB). H2 is thus produced with renewable energy. Solar energy is stored as a transportable fuel. The fuel has zero CO2 emission: carbon as opposed to CO2 is sequestered. Fossil fuels are saved, and CB is synthesized.

This solar process is described in Figure 1...
http://www.pre.ethz.ch/research/projects/?id=solhycarb

Similarly, there is a great deal of elegance in using algae or bacteria to produce hydrocarbon fuels. This is why I am a great fan of using algae to produce biodiesel. Also, burning algae in closed systems to produce power might even make sense. From CO2 sequestration, to the production of carbon-neutral fuels for transportation, to the remediation of industrial and agricultural waste streams, to producing high-value feed for livestock, the algae energy option functions on many different levels. It is the most elegant energy option that I've ever seen.
 
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The most elegant physical process?

That must be when a baby breaks into a smile..
 

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