Incoming spacelike radial geodesic

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating a condition for an incoming radial spacelike geodesic using the Schwarzschild metric. The original poster attempts to understand the implications of the metric and the meaning of "incoming" in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the nature of the constant E and its relationship to the geodesic equations. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of "incoming" and the conditions for spacelike geodesics, particularly concerning the sign of ds squared.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the geodesic equations and the implications of the Schwarzschild metric. Some participants have clarified their understanding of the constant E and its relation to the geodesic equations, while others are still questioning the setup and definitions involved.

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Participants note potential confusion regarding the correct interpretation of constants and the conditions for spacelike versus timelike geodesics. There is also a correction regarding the inequality involving the radius, indicating a need for careful attention to detail in the problem setup.

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We need to show that using the Schwarzschild metric, an incoming radial spacelike geodesic satisfies r>= 1m/(1 + E^2)

I know that E = (1-2m/r) is constant, and I think that ds squared should be negative for a spacelike geodesic. I try substituting E into the metric and setting ds squared <=0 but this does not give the required expressions. I'm also unsure about the meaning of "incoming" - does this mean dr/ds or dr/dt < 0?
 
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This is not making sense to me on so many levels. If E = (1-2m/r) is a constant then r is a constant. And that's hardly 'incoming'. What are the geodesic equations in the Schwarzschild metric with constant angular coordinates?
 
Sorry I meant to say that E = (1-2m/r) dt/ds is constant (this is one geodesic equation).
 
The other geodesic equation gives us d^2 s/dt^2 which I don't think is useful.
 
Ah, ok. Finally straightened out. And the '1' in the numerator of the radius inequality is supposed to be a '2'. I think your main problem is trying to set ds^2 to be negative in some vague way. Spacelike or timelike is determined by the sign of g*t*t - where g is the metric tensor and t is a tangent vector. Further, in the case of a nonnull geodesic you can set this quantity equal to plus or minus one (defining proper time). Which that is depends on whether the geodesic is timelike or spacelike (and your metric convention).
 
Thanks very much Dick. It's all clear now.
 

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