Increasing Diesel Engine Efficiency with Retractable Plates

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of increasing the efficiency of diesel engines through the introduction of retractable plates that would allow for constant volume heat addition during the combustion process. Participants explore the feasibility of this idea, its implications for engine design, and comparisons with the Otto cycle.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using retractable plates below the piston to facilitate constant volume heat addition, suggesting that this could improve thermal efficiency.
  • Another participant suggests that the idea may not work due to the airtight seal provided by the piston head, which maintains constant pressure during combustion as the piston moves down.
  • A different participant questions the practicality of inserting plates under the piston, noting that any such mechanism would need to overcome cylinder pressure, potentially negating efficiency gains.
  • One suggestion involves exploding fuel in a side chamber before allowing combustion products into the cylinder, raising questions about the feasibility and potential disadvantages of this approach.
  • Concerns are raised about the impossibility of stopping the piston’s motion at any point due to its connection to the crankshaft, which complicates the idea of constant volume heat addition.
  • A participant introduces the concept of using a contra piston to maintain constant volume during combustion, suggesting that while it may be technically possible, the efficiency gains remain uncertain.
  • Another participant discusses the Otto cycle, explaining that while constant volume heat addition is an approximation, it can be achieved by timing combustion when the piston is near the top dead center (TDC) to minimize movement during combustion.
  • One comment speculates that if constant volume expansion is more efficient, lower engine RPMs might enhance efficiency due to prolonged periods at TDC.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the feasibility and effectiveness of the proposed retractable plates and other methods for achieving constant volume heat addition. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on the practicality or efficiency of the ideas presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions about engine mechanics, the role of pressure in combustion, and the timing of combustion events, which may affect the validity of their claims. The discussion also reflects differing interpretations of the diesel and Otto cycles.

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In case of diesel cycle thermal efficiency is low, because heat addition takes place at constant pressure.so can we introduce some retractable plate which sits below the piston during end of compression stroke,and retracts back after heat addition,thus providing constant volume heat addition and increasing efficiency.These plates can be controlled by sensors connected to ECU.Does this idea works out
 
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You are studying mechanical engineering. That is certainly the right field of study for your interests. But you need to evaluate your own ideas.

Here's how to start the evaluation of your idea. Make a sketch showing your idea. Include some approximate dimensions, calculate how far each part needs to move, how much time is available to make the moves, the necessary accelerations and resulting forces. Show us actuators that provide those forces at those speeds. If you get stuck, show us how far you got, and we will help.
 
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If I understand what you are suggesting, I believe this will not work. In a piston cylinder, the piston head provides an essentially air tight seal between the combustion chamber and the bottom portion of the bore. The heat addition (combustion) occurs at constant pressure because the cylinder is being driven down on the power stroke, thus changing the chamber volume. Any plates below the piston head would not affect the chamber pressure and therefore would not improve the efficiency. Keep thinking outside the box though!
 
Caleb_P said:
If I understand what you are suggesting, I believe this will not work. In a piston cylinder, the piston head provides an essentially air tight seal between the combustion chamber and the bottom portion of the bore. The heat addition (combustion) occurs at constant pressure because the cylinder is being driven down on the power stroke, thus changing the chamber volume. Any plates below the piston head would not affect the chamber pressure and therefore would not improve the efficiency. Keep thinking outside the box though!
So that's what I think,if we can place plates under piston head we could restrict the movement of piston and thus causing constant volume heat addition
 
What do you mean by plates under the piston head? Can you make a sketch?

Anything inserted into the cylinder to try and keep the volume constant would have to overcome the pressure in the cylinder. As far as I can see the power this would require is the same as that delivered to the piston.
 
Perhaps you could explode the fuel in a side chamber (of fixed volume) and then when it's fully burnt open a valve allowing the products of combustion into the cylinder head driving down the piston.

You might even be able to use the piston itself as the valve.

I'm sure there are disadvantages.
 
The piston is linked to the crankshaft of the engine by the piston rod and therefore it is in constant motion as the crankshaft rotates so it is not possible to arrest its reciprocating motion at any point in its stroke.
 
JBA said:
The piston is linked to the crankshaft of the engine by the piston rod and therefore it is in constant motion as the crankshaft rotates so it is not possible to arrest its reciprocating motion at any point in its stroke.
But in case of Otto cycle how could we achieve constant volume heat addition
 
See my post above.

Edit: Another method might be to use a contra piston in the head that was moved up and down in sympathy with the regular piston to keep the volume constant for a short period around combustion time.

The point is that it's likely to be possible, it's only engineering. The question is would it really make combustion more efficient?
 
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venkata said:
But in case of Otto cycle how could we achieve constant volume heat addition
It is an approximation.From whatever I was taught during college,as the piston moves towards the TDC from the middle of the stroke, it is decelerated and its velocity changes direction at the TDC.So for a very short time, the piston velocity will be zero.
Then the combustion process occurs so quickly that the piston would not have moved a lot during combustion.
By aligning these two factors(i.e. choosing the right time to start the combustion), an approximately constant volume heat addition is achieved.
 
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Just as a comment: By the above theory, if constant volume expansion is more efficient; then, ignoring all other factors, an engine should be more efficient at lower rpm's because that maximizes the time during which the piston is transiting tdc, while the burn time is the same at all engine rpm's.
 

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