Induced carge on parallel infinite plates

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The discussion revolves around the problem of determining the induced surface charge densities and total charges on two infinite grounded parallel conducting planes when a point charge is placed between them. The subject area involves electrostatics and the method of images.

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  • Participants explore the method of images to account for the grounded plates and the placement of image charges. There are discussions about the correct placement and signs of these image charges, as well as the resulting potential and electric field expressions. Some participants question the accuracy of the series used to represent the potential and electric field.

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There is ongoing clarification regarding the series representations and the placement of image charges. Some participants express uncertainty about the correctness of the series and suggest alternative formulations. The conversation reflects a collaborative effort to refine the understanding of the problem setup without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Participants note potential typographical errors in the series and the need for careful consideration of the boundary conditions imposed by the grounded plates. The discussion also highlights the complexity of integrating the series term by term and the implications of the infinite nature of the series on the final results.

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Homework Statement


Two infinite grounded parallel conducting planes are separated by a distance d. A point charge q is placed between the planes. Determine the induced surface charge densities as well as the total charges on the two planes.

Homework Equations


Potential of a point charge:
\Phi=\frac{q}{r}

Electric Field/Potential relation:
\vec{E}=-\nabla\Phi

Electric Field discontinuity:
4\pi\sigma

The Attempt at a Solution


I chose the x-axis to be perpendicular to the plates, with the plates at ±d/2, and the point charge q at some location a, 0<a<d/2 (it doesn't matter where, but I wanted it on the positive side of the x-axis).

Using the method of images, since both plates are grounded (zero potential), we need a point charge -q at x=d-a to balance the right plate. But then to balance the left plate we need a charge q at x=-2d+a and a charge -q at x=-2d-a. This process needs to be repeated an infinite number of times for the image charges to recreate the boundary conditions. They form a pattern where charges of q are located at x=±2nd+a and charges of -q at x=±(2n+1)d-a, where n is a non-negative integer (0, 1, 2, ...).

So for a point (x,y z) between the two plates, I get the following expression for the potential:
\Phi(x,y,z)=q\sum_{n=-\infty}^{\infty}\left(\frac{1}{\sqrt{(x-2nd-a)^2+y^2+z^2}}-\frac{1}{\sqrt{(x-(2n+1)d+a)^2+y^2+z^2}}\right)

Since the discontinuity is related to the normal component of the electric field, which will be in the x direction, I'm only worried about the x component of the electric field. So using the gradient relation,
\vec{E_x}(x,y,z)=q\sum_{n=-\infty}^{\infty}\left(\frac{x-2nd-a}{((x-2nd-a)^2+y^2+z^2)^{\frac{3}{2}}}-\frac{x-(2n+1)d-a}{((x-(2n+1)d+a)^2+y^2+z^2)^{\frac{3}{2}}}\right)

To use the discontinuity fact, we need to know the value of the electric field as we come from the left and right of the plates. So for the plate at d/2, to the right E=0, and from the left, I chose point (d/2, 0, 0) for ease.
\vec{E_x}(x,y,z)=4q\sum_{n=-\infty}^{\infty}\left(\frac{1}{(d(1-4n)-2a)^2}-\frac{1}{(d(1+4n)-2a)^2}\right)

That expression has a lot of algebraic simplification done to it. On instinct, I believe the series will converge, but it is not of any form I am familiar with, perhaps more simplification is needed. I suppose a better question might be, should I approach the problem in this way with the method of images, or is there some other approach/trick that would work better?
 
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Your series doesn't look quite right to me...

Brian-san said:
Using the method of images, since both plates are grounded (zero potential), we need a point charge -q at x=d-a to balance the right plate. But then to balance the left plate we need a charge q at x=-2d+a[/color] and a charge -q at x=-2d-a[/color].

I this a typo, or did you really use this to calculate your series?
 
Yeah, that was a type, I meant -q at x=-d-a, the -q charges are at odd multiples odd multiples of d.

I actually think the first series is wrong anyway, it should have four terms, since there are ± signs for the locations of the image charges, and I moved to cylindrical coordinates with x running along the axis of the cylinder
\Phi(x,r)=q\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}\left(\frac{1}{\sqrt{(x-2nd-a)^2+r^2}}+\frac{1}{\sqrt{(x+2nd-a)^2+r^2}}-\frac{1}{\sqrt{(x-(2n+1)d+a)^2+r^2}}-\frac{1}{\sqrt{(x+(2n+1)d+a)^2+r^2}}\right)-\frac{q}{\sqrt{(x-a)^2+r^2}}

The final term compensates for the fact that the potential from the actual point charge at x=a is counted twice in the sum when n=0.

Then the electric field in the x direction is just
E_x(x,r)=q\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}\left(\frac{(x-2nd-a)}{((x-2nd-a)^2+r^2)^{\frac{3}{2}}}+\frac{(x+2nd-a)}{((x+2nd-a)^2+r^2)^{\frac{3}{2}}}-\frac{(x-(2n+1)d+a)}{((x-(2n+1)d+a)^2+r^2)^{\frac{3}{2}}}-\frac{(x+(2n+1)d+a)}{((x+(2n+1)d+a)^2+r^2)^{\frac{3}{2}}}\right)-\frac{q}{((x-a)^2+r^2)^{\frac{3}{2}}}

From the discontinuity of the electric field, I know the surface charge density is just
\sigma_R=\frac{-E_x(d/2,r)}{4\pi}, \sigma_L=\frac{E_x(-d/2,r)}{4\pi}

All terms in the charge densities are of the form
\frac{c}{(c^2+r^2)^{\frac{3}{2}}}

Where c is constant, so when we integrate over the surface, we find
2\pi\int_0^{\infty}\frac{crdr}{(c^2+r^2)^{\frac{3}{2}}}=\frac{-2\pi c}{\sqrt{c^2+r^2}}_0^{\infty}=2\pi

When I use this to integrate the terms in the series for the two surface charge densities, it turns into an infinite sum of zeroes (assuming I can integrate the series term by term), so the only term that contributes is the final one I used to correct for the double counting in the sum. Then end result is induced charges of
Q_{left}=-\frac{q}{2}, Q_{right}=\frac{q}{2}
 
I'm still not too sure abut your series...if the plates are at x=\pm\frac{d}{2}, shouldn't you have image charges of alternating sign at x=d-a,\;\frac{3}{2}d-a,\;2d-a,\;\text{etc.} to balance the right-hand plate and image charges of alternating sign at x=-d+a,\;-\frac{3}{2}d+a,\;-2d+a,\;\text{etc.} to balance the left-hand plate, and of course your original charge at x=a leaving you with something like:

\Phi(x,y,z)=q\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}\left[\frac{(-1)^{n+1}}{\sqrt {(x+\frac{n+2}{2}d-a)^2+y^2+z^2}}+\frac{(-1)^{n+1}}{\sqrt{(x-\frac{n+2}{2}d+a)^2+y^2+z^2}}\right]+\frac{q}{\sqrt{(x-a)^2+y^2+z^2}}

?
 
I'm pretty sure on it, I drew a picture of how I reasoned the locations. Blue dots are -q charges and red dots are +q charges, the plates are the thick black lines (sorry for the bad mspaint picture).
 

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Brian-san said:
I'm pretty sure on it, I drew a picture of how I reasoned the locations. Blue dots are -q charges and red dots are +q charges, the plates are the thick black lines (sorry for the bad mspaint picture).

Yes, I suppose you will actually have image charges of alternating sign at x=d-a,\;2d+a,\;3d-a,\;\text{etc.} to balance the right-hand plate and image charges of alternating sign at x=-d-a,\;-2d+a,\;-3d-a,\;\text{etc.} to balance the left-hand plate. Giving,

\Phi(x,y,z)=q\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}\left[\frac{(-1)^{n+1}}{\sqrt {(x-(n+1)d+(-1)^na)^2+y^2+z^2}}+\frac{(-1)^{n+1}}{\sqrt{(x+(n+1)d+(-1)^na)^2+y^2+z^2}}\right]+\frac{q}{\sqrt{(x-a)^2+y^2+z^2}}

Which is equivalent to your series in post #3.:approve:
 

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