Inelastic collisions - conservation of energy

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The discussion revolves around an inelastic collision problem involving two blocks with different masses, where energy conservation principles are applied. Participants are exploring the relationships between kinetic and potential energy as one block slides down a ramp before colliding with another block.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the initial velocities of the blocks and the implications of forces acting on them, questioning the conservation of momentum. There is an exploration of energy equations and kinematic relationships, with attempts to derive velocities before and after the collision.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the steps necessary to analyze the problem systematically. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to consider conservation of momentum during the collision, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or final outcomes.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem is multi-stage and involves careful consideration of each phase, including the fall of the block and the subsequent collision. There are references to discrepancies between calculated results and those found in the textbook, indicating potential misunderstandings or miscalculations that are yet to be resolved.

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Homework Statement



20r72hc.png


Homework Equations



K = E + U
E = 1/2mv^2
U = mgh


The Attempt at a Solution


So I think that for a, half the final velocity of m is equal to the initial velocity of 2m. So that's v = sqrt(2gr)/2? Momentum is not conserved because normal force and gravity are acting on block m correct? Then what do I do from there, and on b and c?
 
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mintsnapple said:

Homework Statement



20r72hc.png


Homework Equations



K = E + U
E = 1/2mv^2
U = mgh

The Attempt at a Solution


So I think that for a, half the final velocity of m is equal to the initial velocity of 2m. So that's v = sqrt(2gr)/2? Momentum is not conserved because normal force and gravity are acting on block m correct? Then what do I do from there, and on b and c?

This is a multi-stage problem.

Attack it systematically.

First, the block with mass, m, slides down the ramp. What is its velocity immediately before it collides with the block of mass 2m ?

Then there is the collision.

What velocity does each block have immediately after the collision?

The rest of this depends upon those velocities.
 
So then,
mgr = 1/2mv1 + 1/2(2m)v2 right?
So, v2 = sqrt(gr-1/2(v1)^2)

From the kinematics formula, the time it takes for the block to fall is
R = 1/2gt^2
So t = sqrt(2R/g)

But my book says the answer is 4/3*sqrt(Rr), but v2*t is clearly not the same...what am I doing wrong?
 
mintsnapple said:
So then,
mgr = 1/2mv1 + 1/2(2m)v2 right?
So, v2 = sqrt(gr-1/2(v1)^2)

From the kinematics formula, the time it takes for the block to fall is
R = 1/2gt^2
So t = sqrt(2R/g)

But my book says the answer is 4/3*sqrt(Rr), but v2*t is clearly not the same...what am I doing wrong?
Which answer?


It appears that you have not taken care to go though each step that's involved here.

You do have the speed of the small mass immediately prior to the collision correct.


Then there is the collision.

How do you propose to analyze that? It's an elastic collision. What velocity does each mass have immediately after the collision (including direction).
Hint: Yes, you need to use conservation of momentum.​


After that, you might begin to concern yourself with the distances asked for.


After that you
 

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