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The discussion revolves around proving the inequality $$\left| \frac { z- w }{1 - \overline{z}w} \right| < 1$$ under the conditions that $$|z|<1$$ and $$|w|<1$$. Participants explore various approaches to the proof, including mathematical reasoning and references to previous treatments of the problem.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in proving the inequality using rectangular coordinates and seeks suggestions.
  • Another participant shares a link to a previous treatment of the problem, suggesting it has been addressed before.
  • A participant acknowledges the previous treatment but emphasizes that revisiting problems can be beneficial and expresses interest in alternative methods.
  • A participant presents a detailed solution that utilizes properties of complex numbers and inequalities, ultimately deriving the desired result.
  • Another participant reformulates the inequality and proposes a proof involving the expansion of terms, suggesting that the inequality holds under the given conditions.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the thread should be deprecated due to previous treatments. Some express that revisiting problems is valuable, while others indicate that the problem has been solved before. Multiple approaches to the proof are discussed, indicating a lack of agreement on a single method.

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Some participants reference previous solutions and discussions, indicating that there may be multiple valid approaches to the proof. The discussion includes various mathematical steps and assumptions that are not universally accepted or resolved.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying complex analysis, inequalities in mathematics, or anyone looking for different methods of proof in mathematical problems.

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Here's a fun problem proof I came across. Show that

$$\left| \frac { z- w }{1 - \overline{z}w} \right| < 1$$

given $$|z|<1$$, $$|w|<1$$. I attempted writing z and w in rectangular coordinates (a+bi) but to no avail. Any suggestions, forum?
 
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Ironically, I thought it was a fun inequality problem too! XD

http://mathhelpboards.com/potw-graduate-students-45/problem-week-6-july-9th-2012-a-1408.html
 
Would you look at that, it was already treated unbeknownst to me (which just nullifies this thread, I'll have it depreciated). Thanks!
 
sweatingbear said:
Would you look at that, it was already treated unbeknownst to me (which just nullifies this thread, I'll have it depreciated). Thanks!

Don't agree , others might have different approaches.
 
sweatingbear said:
Would you look at that, it was already treated unbeknownst to me (which just nullifies this thread, I'll have it depreciated). Thanks!

Nah, no need to worry about that. It's always good to revisit older problems. The thing I would be interested in is if there's another way to do it than the way I presented in that link.
 
I neglected to respond to POTW #6 in July 2012, so here is my solution to the problem. It relies on the fact that $\overline{z}z = |z|^2$.

Start with the fact that $(1-|z|^2)(1-|w|^2) > 0$. Then $$(1 - \overline{z}z)(1 - \overline{w}w) > 0,$$ $$1 - \overline{z}z - \overline{w}w + \overline{z}z\,\overline{w}w > 0,$$ $$\overline{z}z + \overline{w}w < 1 + \overline{z}z\,\overline{w}w.$$ Now subtract $\overline{z}w + \overline{w}z\ (=2\mathrm{Re}(\overline{z}w))$ from both sides: $$\overline{z}z - \overline{z}w - \overline{w}z + \overline{w}w < 1 - \overline{z}w - \overline{w}z + \overline{z}z\,\overline{w}w,$$ $$(\overline{z} - \overline{w})(z-w) < (1-\overline{z}w)(1-z\overline{w}),$$ $$|z-w|^2 < |1-\overline{z}w|^2$$ and finally, taking square roots, $$|z-w| < |1-\overline{z}w|,$$ $$\left|\frac{z-w}{1-\overline{z}w}\right|< 1.$$

Edit. Having looked at Chris's solution to POTW #6, I see that my solution is essentially the same as his.
 
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Chris L T521 said:
The thing I would be interested in is if there's another way to do it than the way I presented in that link.

The given statement can be written $ |z-w| < |1 - \overline{z}w| $, which equivalently is $ |z-w|^2 < |1 - \overline{z}w|^2 $.

Let $ z = a +bi $ and $ w = c + di $. Thus $a^2 + b^2 + c^2 + d^2 < (a^2+b^2)(c^2 + d^2) + 1$, or equivalently, $|z|^2 + |w|^2 < 1 + |z|^2 |w|^2 $. That statement is always true; we could write it as $ p + q < 1 + pq $ for $p<1$ and $q < 1$. This can be shown by expanding $ (1-p)(1-q) > 0 $.
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