Information Paradox confirmed?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the information-loss paradox related to black holes, particularly in light of recent findings from physicists at Penn State. Participants explore the implications of these findings on the recovery of information from black holes, engaging with concepts from general relativity and alternative theories such as scale relativity.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants highlight that recent findings suggest a mechanism for recovering information from black holes, potentially resolving the information-loss paradox.
  • One participant proposes that the resolution involves making space-time discontinuous, suggesting a triumph of scale relativity.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the prospect of recovering information, questioning the validity of the claims made.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that light behaves in a way that allows it to navigate around massive objects, implying that information is never truly lost but may be obscured as it interacts with matter.
  • This participant further argues that the eventual emergence of information is possible, despite the complexities introduced by gravitational effects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus. There are competing views on whether the recent findings genuinely resolve the information-loss paradox, with some expressing skepticism and others supporting the new mechanism proposed.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include differing interpretations of the implications of the findings, the dependence on theoretical frameworks such as scale relativity, and unresolved questions about the nature of information recovery in the context of black holes.

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Physicists at Penn State have provided a mechanism by which information can be recovered from black holes, those regions of space where gravity is so strong that, according to Einstein's theory of general relativity, not even light can escape. The team's findings pave the way toward ending a decades-long debate sparked by renowned physicist Steven Hawking. The team's work will be published in the 20 May 2008 issue of the journal Physical Review Letters

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So the information-loss paradox is resolved by making space-time discontinuous. Sounds like scale relativity has triumphed once again.
 
Even from a broad view of this I don’t see where or believe this will show any prospect that any real “information can be recovered”.
 
If light is a vibration in space time, then there is nothing to escape. If heavily compressed matter creates a situation where there is no room for space, then light will just focus, go around the mass bounce around with total energy conservation and concentrate itself.

It looks to me that this is what it does, it then eminates as fierce waves of electromagnetism from the "centre/edge" of the black hole.

If the mass disintegrates allowing space time to reoccupy the void created by the mass, this would account for the disolving that is described.

There is never a loss of data at any point... it may have to take a long path to make around the big lump of mass that is in it's way, but ultimately it makes it around.

The fact that the information is obscured as it weaves past the matter that obstructs it and does not present itself outside the immediate locality does not mean it has ceased to be represented.
 
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