Insane differential equation help?

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The discussion revolves around a complex differential equation presented by a participant, seeking assistance in solving or beginning to solve it. The conversation includes various approaches and techniques related to differential equations, including substitutions and integrating factors.

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  • One participant presents the differential equation and requests help in solving it.
  • Another participant suggests a substitution \( u = xy \) as a potential method for simplifying the equation.
  • A different participant claims to have found a solution using Lie point transformations and discusses the process of finding an integrating factor to make the equation exact.
  • Another suggestion is made for a substitution \( u = xy^2 \) that could separate the equation.
  • A participant shares their findings about a one-parameter group and acknowledges the usefulness of a transformation suggested by another participant.

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Participants present multiple approaches to the problem, including different substitutions and methods for finding solutions. There is no consensus on a single method or solution, and various techniques are discussed without resolution.

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The discussion includes advanced techniques such as Lie point transformations and integrating factors, which may depend on specific mathematical assumptions and definitions that are not fully detailed in the conversation.

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The equation is as follows:

2x * (dy/dx) + y = y2 * sqrt(x - (x2 * y2))

Any ideas how to solve it or begin solving it?
 
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Hmm maple gives a fairly straightforward answer maybe a subst. u = xy, just a guess
 
Hello itsthewoo,

I finally found the solution. It kept running in my head and I couldn't put it aside, so here it is. First of all I used an advanced technique called Lie point transformations to find the answer. It comes down for this equation to find an integrating factor so the equation becomes exact. Writing the equation as:

[tex]\left(2x\right)\cdot dy-\left(-y+y^2\sqrt{x-x^2y^2}\right)\cdot dx=0[/tex]

The integrating factor is the following:

[tex]M=\frac{1}{xy^2\sqrt{x-x^2y^2}}[/tex]

The new (exact) equation is now:

[tex]\left(\frac{2x}{xy^2\sqrt{x-x^2y^2}}\right)\cdot dy+<br /> \left(\frac{1}{xy\sqrt{x-x^2y^2}}-\frac{1}{x}\right)\cdot dx=0[/tex]

Which has as solution:

[tex]x=Ke^{-\frac{2\sqrt{x-x^2y^2}}{xy}}[/tex]

This is the same solution as maxima (like maple or mathematica) gives. If any more info is necessary, I would recommend the following book:

"Ordinary differential equations, an elementary text-book with an introduction
to Lie's theory of the group of one parameter." written by James Morris Page

Hope this helps,

coomast
 
[tex]u = x y^2[/tex] will separate your equation.
 
Hello Mathwebster,

I considered the following one-parameter group:

[tex]Uf=ax\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}+by\frac{\partial f}{\partial y}+(b-a)y'\frac{\partial f}{\partial y'}[/tex]

And found the unknown numbers to bea=-1 and b=1/2. From this it is possible to find the integrating factor, but also the transformation you gave. It works indeed. I did not think of doing it like that although I should have :blushing:. Many thanks for the hint.

coomast
 

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