Intake manifold for turbo applications

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design of an intake manifold for a turbocharged 1.6L engine. Participants explore various design approaches, including the use of D-shaped pipes and turbo exhaust manifolds, while considering the implications of different intake styles on performance, pressure buildup, and airflow dynamics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using a D-shape pipe for the plenum and straight piping to the head, while considering the implications of a turbo exhaust manifold design.
  • Another participant questions the effectiveness of plenum-style intakes compared to tube designs, raising concerns about pressure buildup and spool time.
  • A different viewpoint posits that the intake design is less critical in turbo applications due to pressure acting as an equalizer, suggesting that increasing boost is a more effective way to enhance flow.
  • There is a query about the rationale behind the use of large plenums in aftermarket intakes, with references to the trade-offs between plenum size, lag, torque, and top-end power.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the importance of intake design in turbo applications, with some emphasizing the role of pressure and others focusing on the characteristics of plenum versus tube designs. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal intake configuration.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference concepts such as pressure buildup, lag, and the effects of runner length on torque and power, but these ideas are not fully explored or agreed upon, leaving some assumptions and dependencies unaddressed.

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Hello all, this is my first post on this site, so I'll try not to look stupid.
I am currently trying to design a new intake manifold for a turbo 1.6L engine. I have never attempted to this before, but I have a few ideas in mind, and would like some feedback. First, I could use a D-shape pipe for a plenum, and just straight pipe it to the head. My second thought is to use a turbo exhaust manifold, which has even length pipes to each cylinder, and modify it to fit the intake.
The thing I am wondering is why every other turbo car uses a plenum style intake instead of a tube design. I understand that the plenum allows a build up of a pressure, but does it then not take longer to pressure up? If you used a header type intake, would it spool up extreemely then? Would you lose top end power because of a volume issue, or would the better, more even flow of air compensate for this.
Sorry the post is so long, hope that someone has an answer or two for me.
 
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Does anyone have any help for me? Perhaps someone with fluid mechanics knowledge.
 
just an old hot rodder
but the intake is less important on a turbo
as the pressure is a great equalizer and if you want more flow crank up the boost
pipe size and shape goes away with pressure
ext both before and after the turbo is where the gains are to be made
inc the whole ext pipe system you can't go too big there
 
Thanks for the reply, but why do all of the aftermarket intakes use a large plenum and then use runners of of that? I was reading another post on this site that said that the larger the plenum, the longer the lag, and the shorter the runners, the more torque and less top end you get and vise versa. Just wondering why?
 

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