Integrating Factor and Unintegratable Term

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a first-order ordinary differential equation (ODE) using an integrating factor. Participants explore the challenges faced when the resulting integral is not easily integrable, particularly in the context of initial conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Steve presents the ODE and describes the process of finding the integrating factor, expressing confusion about the non-integrable term that arises.
  • Some participants clarify the calculation of the integrating factor, noting a discrepancy in the exponent of the term compared to Steve's initial expression.
  • One participant suggests an alternative method, the method of Frobenius or power series, instead of using the integrating factor.
  • Steve expresses uncertainty about how to proceed with the ODE given the professor's advice regarding the integral and initial conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the steps to find the integrating factor but disagree on the best method to solve the ODE, with some advocating for the integrating factor and others suggesting alternative methods. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the approach to take given the initial conditions.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the integrability of the resulting terms and the applicability of different solution methods, which have not been fully explored.

Who May Find This Useful

Students and individuals studying ordinary differential equations, particularly those encountering challenges with integrating factors and initial conditions.

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I was given the following ODE to solve and it seemed simple enough. However, after you have used the integrating factor the integral is not integratable.

y' = (1+x^2)y +x^3, y(0)=0

Find y(1) if y(x) is the solution to the above ODE.

So I put it in the proper form of:

y' + (-1-x^2)y = x^3

INT FACTOR = e^(INTEGRAL(-1-x^2) dx) = e^(-x^3/3 - x) so:

y = e^(x/3 + x) * (INTEGRAL e^(-x/3 - x) * x^3 dx + C)

This "(INTEGRAL e^(-x/3 - x)" is not integratable by any means I know of. So I e-mailed the Professor and this is what he told me to do.

"I gave this problem so you would have experience with something that doesn't have an explicit solution. The solution is in terms of an integral. You can even make it a definite integral with the upper limit variable. Choose the lower limit so the initial condition works out. Since your calculator can do numerical integration, you can then evaluate y(1)."

I am clueless on what he is talking about. I have looked in all of the DE texts I have and all say that it is fine to leave it in the form that it is in. However, none of those examples cover what to do when there are initial conditions present and you run into this problem.

Can anyone help me with this?


Thanks, Steve
 
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How are you getting this step:

INT FACTOR = e^(INTEGRAL(-1-x^2) dx) = e^(-x/3 - x) so:
 
Using the integrating factor is given by the form:

dy/dx + A(x)y = B(x)

INT Factor = e^(A(x) dx)

so A(x) = (-1-x^2)

INt Factor is given by: e^(INTEGRAL (-1-x^2 dx)

INT Factor = e^(-x^3/3 - x)


Does that make sense?
 
Yes but e^(-x^3/3 - x) is different from e^(-x/3 - x) that you originally wrote. I guess I was hinting that you forgot the "^3" Does that make sense?
 
Fixed. Thanks.


Any idea how to the ODE?


Thanks, Steve
 
I wouldn't use integrating factor, probably method of Frobenius / power series method is what I'd jump to.
 
We haven't learned that yet. Any ideas as to what the Professor said?


Thanks for your help.


-Steve
 

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