Integrating factor of (y+1)dx+(4x-y)dy=0

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the integrating factor for the differential equation (y+1)dx+(4x-y)dy=0. Participants explore various approaches to derive the integrating factor and simplify the resulting expressions, focusing on the integration process and potential errors in their calculations.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the integrating factor is (y+1) based on their integration of 1/(y+1), but expresses uncertainty about the next steps.
  • Another participant claims the integrating factor is (y+1)^4 and seeks clarification on subsequent calculations.
  • Several participants discuss the integration process, with one stating they reached an expression involving (x)(1+y)^4 and are confused about simplifying it to a specific form.
  • Another participant agrees with the integrating factor of (y+1)^4 and suggests using integration by parts to derive the solution, but expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their steps.
  • One participant identifies a potential sign error in their calculations and seeks clarification on the correct form of the equation.
  • Another participant corrects a previous post, indicating that a factor of "4" should not be present in front of (t+1) in the final expression.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct integrating factor, with some proposing (y+1) and others (y+1)^4. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the simplification of the resulting expressions and the correctness of the integration steps.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of missing assumptions and potential sign errors in the integration process, which contribute to the confusion among participants. The discussion reflects a reliance on specific integration techniques and the need for careful manipulation of terms.

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I tried to put it in standard form as (dx/dy)+4x(1/(1+y))=y/(y+1). I get that the integrating factor is (y+1) but i am not sure if i am doing it right or what am I suppose to do next? I get (y+1) because the integrating of 1/(y+1) is ln(y+1) and since it has e, then ln cancels and i am left with (c(y+1)) as the integrating factor
 
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oh no I get integrating factor of (y+1)^4. that should be right. but i am confused about the next part?
 
now I get that (x)(1+y)^4=y(1+y)^4/4 + (1+y)^5/5. now I am really stuck! the answer should be 20x=4y-1+c(1+y)^-4. but i am not sure how to simplify to that
 
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now I get that (x)(1+y)^4=y(1+y)^4/4 + (1+y)^5/5. now I am really stuck! the answer should be 20x=4y-1+c(1+y)^-4. but i am not sure how to simplify to that
Let's change y to t. On the right side you get an integral ## \int (t)(t+1)^3 \, dt ##.(I agree with your integrating factor of ## (y+1)^4 ##.) If you do it by parts using ## (1/4) \int t \, d(t+1)^4 ## , you do get the answer they give: ## x(t+1)^4=(1/4)t(t+1)^4-(1/4) \int (t+1)^4 \, dt =(1/4)t(t+1)^4-(1/20)(t+1)^5 +C ##. Finally, just divide out the ## (t+1)^4 ## and multiply by 20.
 
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Let's change y to t. On the right side you get an integral ## \int (t)(t+1)^3 \, dt ##.(I agree with your integrating factor of ## (y+1)^4 ##.) If you do it by parts using ## (1/4) \int t \, d(t+1)^4 ## , you do get the answer they give.

but I have to do integration by parts on the right side right? So i get t(t+1)^4/4 - (t+1)^5/5=t(t+1)^4. I find a common multiple on the left side and I get a 20, and I divide (t+1)^4 on the right side and the left side and I get, 20t=5t-4(t+1)+c(t+1)^-4. which is 20t=t-4+c(t+1)^-4. but I am not sure what am i doing wrong. I now it has to do with some sign error but I can't find it.
 
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edgarpokemon said:
but I have to do integration by parts on the right side right? So i get t(t+1)^4/4 - (t+1)^5/5=t(t+1)^4. I find a common multiple on the left side and I get a 20, and I divide (t+1)^4 on the right side and the left side and I get, 20t=5t-4(t+1)+c(t+1)^-4. which is 20t=t-4+c(t+1)^-4. but I am not sure what am i doing wrong. I now it has to do with some sign error but I can't find it.
The "4" should not be there in front of (t+1). See my post #4 which I edited after you saw it. It's 20x= 5t-(t+1)+c(t+1)^{-4}. (There's a 1/4 factor in the second term of your first line.)
 
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Charles Link said:
The "4" should not be there in front of (t+1). See my post #4 which I edited after you saw it. It's 20x= 5t-(t+1)+c(t+1)^{-4}
oooooohhh my God :'[ thank you for helping meee! engineering is not so for me I am changing majors! lol
 

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