Integrating sine where argument goes to infinity.

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The discussion revolves around the integration of a sine function where the argument approaches infinity, particularly in the context of deriving a dispersion relation in magnetized plasma using a kinetic approach. Participants explore the implications of this limit on the integration process and the behavior of trigonometric functions in this scenario.

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  • One participant presents an expression involving an integral with a sine function and seeks guidance on applying the limit as the argument approaches infinity.
  • Another participant requests clarification on the original problem to provide context for the discussion.
  • A participant explains that they are deriving a dispersion relation in magnetized plasma and details the integral they are working with, highlighting a term that complicates the integration process.
  • Some participants assert that trigonometric functions do not have a limit as their argument approaches infinity, suggesting a fundamental issue with the approach being taken.
  • One participant acknowledges the lack of a limit for the trigonometric function but insists that the mathematical treatment still yields useful results, prompting the discussion.

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There is disagreement regarding the behavior of trigonometric functions as their arguments approach infinity, with some participants asserting that limits do not exist while others argue that the mathematical context can still provide insights.

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The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the behavior of trigonometric functions at infinity, which may affect the integration process.

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After some integration, i am getting a form e^{i \alpha\phi+i\beta\phi\sin(\phi-\phi')-i\gamma\sin\phi}, where ##\alpha, \beta, \gamma## are constants. Now i want to apply the limit where ##\phi ## ranges from 0 to ##\infty ## (ya, in the argument of sine we will encounter ##\infty ## which is exactly my problem). How can i do that?
 
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What's the original problem? We need to see a context. Please, post it.
 
Okay. i am trying to derive a dispersion relation in magnetized plasma with kinetic approach. By the by i am taking only two terms, just forget about the last term in the above equation. We will encounter a term##I=
\int_0^\infty cos(\phi-\phi')e^{g_1(\phi')}\,d\phi'\\## where ##g_1(\phi')= i \alpha \phi'+i\beta sin(\phi-\phi')##. Differentiating ##g_1(\phi')## with respect to ##\phi'## and then substituting back into ##I_1## will give
##I_1=\alpha\int_0^\infty e^{g_1(\phi') d\phi'}+ \gamma\int_0^\infty \frac{dg_1(\phi')}{d\phi'}e^{g_1(\phi')}d\phi'##. It is the second term that causes trouble. From second term, ##\frac{dg_1(\phi')}{d\phi'}e^{g_1(\phi')}d\phi= d(e^{g_1(\phi')})##. So ##I_1= firstterm + \gamma\int_0^\infty d(e^{g_1(\phi')})##. Now, i think, you can make sense out of it.
Thanks in advance...
 
The trig function do NOT have a limit as the argument goes to infinity.
 
HallsofIvy said:
The trig function do NOT have a limit as the argument goes to infinity.
i understand that sir. But, when you do the maths it comes into picture. And this is why i posted the question here.
Thank you...
 

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