Integrating Trigonometric Functions with Substitution

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The discussion revolves around the integration of trigonometric functions using substitution methods, specifically focusing on the integral of \( t^3\sqrt{1+t^2} \). Participants explore different substitution techniques and their implications on the integration process.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an integral involving \( t^3\sqrt{1+t^2} \) and proposes a trigonometric substitution \( t = \tan(u) \), leading to a new integral that they find unappealing.
  • Another participant suggests a different substitution \( u = t^2 + 1 \) and provides a method to integrate using this substitution, indicating a path to expand and integrate the expression.
  • A subsequent reply confirms the integration steps and presents the result, but another participant questions the derivation of a specific substitution, seeking clarification on the relationship between \( u \) and \( t \).
  • One participant expresses relief at avoiding trigonometric substitution, implying it would have been more complex.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of maintaining coherence in the thread by avoiding edits to previous posts after receiving assistance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best substitution method, with multiple approaches being discussed and some participants expressing confusion or seeking clarification on specific steps.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the clarity of the substitutions and the integration steps, as well as differing opinions on the complexity of the methods discussed.

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$\tiny{8.7.16}$
$$\int{t}^{3}\sqrt{1+{t}^{2}} \ dr
=\frac{\left({t}^{2}+1\right)^{5/2}}{5}
-\frac{\left({t}^{2}+1\right)^{3/2}}{3}+C$$
$$t=\tan\left({u}\right) \ \ \ dt=\sec^2\left({u}\right) \ du $$

Substituting

$$\int\tan^3\left({u}\right)\sec^3\left({u}\right) \ du $$

Which doesn't look like a good option ??
 
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$$u=t^2+1,\quad\dfrac{du}{2}=t\,dt$$

$$\dfrac12\int(u-1)u^{1/2}\,du$$

Expand and integrate, then back-sub.
 
$$\frac{1}{2}\int{u}^{3/2}-{u}^{1/2} \ du
\implies \frac{1}{2}
\left[\frac{2{u}^{5/2}}{5}
-\frac{2{u}^{3/2}}{3}\right]+C$$
Thus
$$I=\frac{{\left({{t}^{2 }+1}^{}\right)}^{5/2}}{5}
-\frac{{\left({{t}^{2 }+1}^{}\right)}^{3/2}}{3}+C$$
 
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karush said:
I don't see how you got that
$$t={\left(u-1\right)}^{1/2}$$

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} u &= t^2 + 1 \\ u - 1 &= t^2 \\ \left( u - 1 \right) ^{\frac{1}{2}} &= t \end{align*}$
 
Well I meant the integral but I got it

Thanks the trig substitution would have been much harder
 
karush said:
Well I meant the integral but I got it

Thanks the trig substitution would have been much harder

Please stop editing your posts after you've received help, post in a new reply. We like to have the thread be coherent so that anyone who stops by having a similar problem can read through and get an idea what to do.
 
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