Interpretation of the functional Z (in Zee).

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the functional Z as presented in Zee's book, particularly in relation to the path integral formulation of quantum mechanics. Participants explore the mathematical expressions for Z, its connection to the amplitude between states, and the implications of integrating over the ground state wavefunction.

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  • Technical explanation
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether there is an error in Zee's definition of Z and its equivalence to the path integral expression.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the conclusion regarding the integration over the ground state wavefunction and its implications.
  • Some participants suggest that Zee may be defining Dq to include the integration over the ground-state wave function, referencing Srednicki's text for further clarification.
  • It is proposed that Zee omits details about introducing an imaginary part to the Hamiltonian to achieve the vacuum-to-vacuum transition amplitude, which affects the contributions from other states in the path integral.
  • One participant clarifies their earlier statement about the ground state wavefunction not "vanishing" but rather "disappearing" from the expression.
  • Another participant mentions that a substitution of t→it is intended to give meaning to the exponential exp(iS), rather than modifying the Hamiltonian.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of Zee's definitions and the mathematical implications of the path integral formulation. There is no consensus on whether Zee's treatment is complete or if crucial details are omitted.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential missing assumptions regarding the integration over the ground state wavefunction and the role of the imaginary part in the Hamiltonian, which may affect the interpretation of the path integral.

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In Zee's book at page 12 in both editions he finds that he can write the amplitude

$$\langle q_f|e^{-iHT} |q_i\rangle = \int Dq(t) e^{iS} $$

where T is the time between emission at ##q_i## and observation at ##q_f##. He then states that we often define

$$Z = \langle 0 | e^{-iHT} |0 \rangle $$

And he observes that by inserting a complete set of states we can write

$$ Z = \int q_f \int q_i \langle 0 | q_f\rangle \langle q_f | e^{-iHT} |q_i\rangle \langle q_i |0 \rangle = int q_f \int q_i \psi_0^* (q_f) \psi_0 (q_i) \langle q_f | e^{-iHT} |q_i\rangle. $$

But then a few sentences down he writes

$$Z = \int Dq(t) e^{iS}. $$

Is there an error in Zee here or ##Z## as defined above actually equal to the path integral given by ##\langle q_f|e^{-iHT} |q_i\rangle##? If so, how does the integration over the ground state wavefunction vanish?
 
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If so, how does the integration over the ground state wavefunction vanish?
I don't see how are you coming to this conclusion.
 
Zee often leaves out details like this. He is presumably now defining Dq to include the integration over the ground-state wave function. For a more thorough explanation of how this works, see Srednicki's text.
 
If I remember right, Zee leaves out the crucial detail to introduce a little imaginary part to the Hamiltonian such that you get the vacuum-to-vacuum-transition amplitude, i.e., in the path integral contributions from all other states are exponentially damped out in the limit [itex]t_i \rightarrow -\infty[/itex] and [itex]t_f \rightarrow \infty[/itex], where [itex]t_i[/itex] and [itex]t_f[/itex] are the initial and final time in the original path integral for the time-evolution kernel.

A very good treatment of this issue can be found, e.g., in

Bailin, Love, Gauge Theories
 
andrien said:
I don't see how are you coming to this conclusion.

I did not mean "vanish" in the sense of becoming zero, but in the sense of disappearing from the expression :)
 
vanhees71 said:
If I remember right, Zee leaves out the crucial detail to introduce a little imaginary part to the Hamiltonian such that you get the vacuum-to-vacuum-transition amplitude,
I thought a substitution t→it is done so as to give a proper meaning to the exponential
exp(iS),not to hamiltonian.
 

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