Intuition behind Cauchy–Riemann equations

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The discussion centers around the intuition and geometric interpretation of the Cauchy–Riemann equations, which are fundamental in understanding analytic functions in complex analysis. Participants explore the implications of these equations in terms of derivatives, conformality, and the relationship between real and imaginary components of complex functions.

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  • Some participants suggest that the Cauchy–Riemann equations arise from the requirement that the derivative of an analytic function must be consistent regardless of the direction of approach to a point.
  • Others discuss the geometric interpretation of the partial derivatives, questioning why the form of these derivatives includes the imaginary unit i, particularly in the context of directional derivatives.
  • A participant proposes that the Cauchy–Riemann equations reflect the unique properties of the complex field compared to the real vector space, suggesting an inherent mixture that leads to these equations.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes that the Jacobian of a conformal function can be expressed in terms of rotation and scaling, leading to specific relationships between the partial derivatives of the real and imaginary parts.
  • Some participants express confusion over the geometric implications of the derivatives and the role of the imaginary unit in the context of directional derivatives.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of complex linearity versus real linearity in the context of derivatives, with some participants highlighting the importance of complex linear maps.
  • A later reply mentions that dividing by i results in a rotation of the vector, contributing to the understanding of complex derivatives.

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Participants express various interpretations and questions regarding the geometric meaning of the Cauchy–Riemann equations and the role of complex derivatives. There is no clear consensus on the geometric intuition behind the equations, as multiple competing views and uncertainties remain evident throughout the discussion.

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Some participants note limitations in their understanding of the geometric implications of the equations and the nature of complex derivatives, indicating that further clarification may be needed.

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I know that if a complex function is analytic , it means that i can reach the neighborhood of every complex point using a certain "stretch and rotation".
In which way this fact conducts us to the "Cauchy Riemann equations" ? What's the intuition behind them ?
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The derivative of an analytic function at a point must be a single complex number, regardless of the direction that a path approaches that point. So coming in from the x direction must be the same as coming in from the iy direction.

That leads to consider ∂x = ux + ivx and ∂iy = -i∂y.
f(z) = u(x,y) + iv(x,y),
∂f/∂x = ux + ivx and
∂f/∂iy = -iuy +i(-ivy) = -iuy + vy.
Since we need ∂f/∂x = ∂f/∂iy, setting the real and imaginary parts equal gives the Cauchy Riemann equations.
 
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FactChecker said:
∂f/∂x = ux + ivx and
∂f/∂iy = -iuy +i(-ivy) = -iuy + vy.

Thanks so much.
The last doubt : geometrically, why this partial derivatives have this form ? In particular why in ∂f/∂iy there is a i in the denominator ? It's the first time i see a partial derivative with the imaginary number i
 
I'm not sure how to describe it geometrically. The derivative of a vector is the derivative of the individual coordinates.
So ∂f/∂x = ∂u/∂x + i ∂v/∂x.
And because d/dy (iy) = i, we have ∂iy = i ∂y. So ∂f/∂iy = ∂u/∂iy + i ∂v/∂iy = ∂u/i∂y + i ( ∂v/i∂y)) = -i(∂u/∂y) + (∂v/∂y) = ∂v/∂y - i ∂u/∂y
 
I've tried to give a bit of a different explanation, better different representation, since the math is the same in here:
https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/the-pantheon-of-derivatives-i/

Basically the Cauchy Riemann equations arise from the fact that ##\mathbb{C}## is a field, and as such more than simply ##\mathbb{R}^2##. However, we want to calculate and draw pictures with real and imaginary parts, which means this discrepancy between the field and the real vector space has to show up somewhere. ##i \cdot i## doesn't take place in the imaginary dimension, it leaves it and ends up in the real dimension - a property we don't have in ##\mathbb{R}^2##. Therefore there is an inherent mixture which results in the Cauchy Riemann equations.
 
themagiciant95 said:
Thanks so much.
The last doubt : geometrically, why this partial derivatives have this form ? In particular why in ∂f/∂iy there is a i in the denominator ? It's the first time i see a partial derivative with the imaginary number i

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A function ##f(x,y)=(u(x,y),v(x,y))## is conformal if its Jacobian ##J(f)## is multiplication by a complex number. That is: ##J(f)## is a rotation multiplied by a scale factor. ##J(f)## is then of the form

##\begin{pmatrix}∂u/∂x&∂u/∂y\\
∂v/∂x&∂v/∂y\end{pmatrix} =r\begin{pmatrix}cos(θ)&-sin(θ)\\
sin(θ)&cos(θ)\end{pmatrix}## from which one has ##∂u/∂x=∂v/∂y## and ##∂u/∂y=-∂v/∂x##.

If ##f## is twice continuously differentiable then the partial derivatives with respect to ##x## and ##y## commute and ##u## and ##v## are both harmonic.

If one thinks of ##u(x,y)## as a velocity potential then its gradient can be thought of as the velocity of a fluid in the plane. Since the Laplacian is zero, the flow has zero divergence and is incompressible. Since the flow has a potential, its curl is zero so it is also irrotational. The curves ##u=##constant are the lines of constant potential and the curves ##v=##constant are the stream lines of the flow.
 
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fresh_42 said:
I've tried to give a bit of a different explanation, better different representation, since the math is the same in here:
https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/the-pantheon-of-derivatives-i/

Basically the Cauchy Riemann equations arise from the fact that ##\mathbb{C}## is a field, and as such more than simply ##\mathbb{R}^2##. However, we want to calculate and draw pictures with real and imaginary parts, which means this discrepancy between the field and the real vector space has to show up somewhere. ##i \cdot i## doesn't take place in the imaginary dimension, it leaves it and ends up in the real dimension - a property we don't have in ##\mathbb{R}^2##. Therefore there is an inherent mixture which results in the Cauchy Riemann equations.
But, don't we have something similar with irrational numbers in that, e.g. ##\sqrt2 \times \sqrt 2=2 ## is not Irrational? Why don't we then have an analog in Real-differentiability? EDIT: True that Irrationals do not occupy a different dimension than Rationals; actually EDT Irrationals are "most" of the Reals by many measures, so then one can argue that they "go into nowhere" or something similar when they disappear this way?
 
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WWGD said:
True that Irrationals do not occupy a different dimension than Rationals
Yes, we don't consider ##\mathbb{R}## or even only the algebraic numbers (Btw, do they have a letter? ##\mathbb{A}## perhaps?) as ##\mathbb{Q}-## vector space, at least not in analysis. I know you would like to!
I found @lavinia's explanation good, to emphasize that the derivative is a ##\mathbb{C}-##linear map. This is the point: it has to be complex linear and not just real linear.
 
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WWGD said:
actually Rationals are "most" of the Reals by many measures
This statement surprises me, since the rationals have Lebesgue measure zero and are countably infinite -- far fewer than the irrationals.
 
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FactChecker said:
This statement surprises me, since the rationals have Lebesgue measure zero and are countably infinite -- far fewer than the irrationals.
Yes, right, I meant the Irrationals. Let me edit.
 
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themagiciant95 said:
Thanks so much.
The last doubt : geometrically, why this partial derivatives have this form ? In particular why in ∂f/∂iy there is a i in the denominator ? It's the first time i see a partial derivative with the imaginary number i
Dividing by i rotates the vector clockwise by 90 degrees.

For every directional derivative one gets a rotation. For instance derivative in the negative x-direction is rotated by 180 degrees(multiplied by -1). What does this tell you about the complex derivative?
 
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Indeed: The Complex Jacobian/Differential of an Analytic function , with entries M:= ( a b -b a ) acts like multiplication by a+ib , i.e., when you left-multiply (c+id) by M, you get the same as multiplying (a+ib)(c+id), i.e., you scale by the modulus and rotate by the argument .
 

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