Inverse vs Preimage: Confused by Textbooks

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of inverse functions and inverse images, particularly in the context of the function y = f(x) = x³. Participants express confusion regarding the definitions and representations of these concepts as presented in different textbooks.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that there seems to be inconsistency in how inverse functions are defined in different textbooks, specifically regarding the representation of the inverse of f.
  • One participant suggests that the confusion arises from the notation, indicating that f⁻¹(y) = y^(1/3) is a function of y, while y = x^(1/3) is a function of x.
  • Another participant explains that an inverse function is defined such that f(f⁻¹(x)) = f⁻¹(f(x)) = x for all x, while the preimage of a point is a set of points that map to that point.
  • It is mentioned that even if a function does not have an inverse, the concept of an inverse image can still be defined, with an example provided using the function f(x) = x².
  • Some participants clarify that the notation can be misleading, as the variable names in function definitions are arbitrary and do not affect the underlying function.
  • There is a discussion about the implicit function theorem and how it can lead to confusion between variables and functions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the definitions of inverse functions and inverse images, with no consensus reached on which textbook definition is correct or if the definitions are indeed inconsistent.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that the notation used in textbooks may contribute to confusion, and there are unresolved questions about the implications of different representations of inverse functions.

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1) Consider the example y=f(x)=x3
My statistics textbook say x=f -1(y)=y1/3 is the inverse of f
On the other hand, my calculus textbook says y=x1/3 is the inverse of f
So I am confused...it looks like the idea of inverse is used inconsistently. (When you plot both functions on the xy-plane, you will certainly see two different graphs.)
Which one is the correct one according to the precise definition of inverse?


2) I don't get the difference between the "inverse" of f and the "inverse image" or "premiage". Can somebody explain?


Thank you!
 
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kingwinner said:
1) Consider the example y=f(x)=x3
My statistics textbook say x=f -1(y)=y1/3 is the inverse of f
On the other hand, my calculus textbook says y=x1/3 is the inverse of f
So I am confused...it looks like the idea of inverse is used inconsistently. (When you plot both functions on the xy-plane, you will certainly see two different graphs.)
Which one is the correct one according to the precise definition of inverse?

Note in this example that f-1 is written as a function of y instead of x. That's where your confusion is coming from. The inverse function could (and for clarity's sake, probably should) be written as f^{-1}(x)=x^{1/3}.


2) I don't get the difference between the "inverse" of f and the "inverse image" or "premiage". Can somebody explain?

Suppose f is a function. Another function f-1 is called the inverse of f if f(f^-1(x)) = f^-1(f(x)) = x for all x. In other words, an inverse function is just a function with a special relation to another.

The preimage of a point under a function is a the set of points which map to that point. In other words preimage(p) = {x such that f(x) = p}. So the preimage of a point is a set.
 
By the way, even if a function, f, does not have an inverse, we can still define the "inverse image", f-1(A). For example, if f(x)= x2, there is no "f-1(x)" because f is not "one-to-one"; since f(2)= 4 and f(-2)= 4, which would be f-1(4)?

But if B= [0, 1], we can still have f-1(B)= [-1, 1] since, for any x in [-1, 1], f(x)= x2 is in [0,1].

I once made a fool of myself, presenting a proof in a graduate class, by forgetting that! I was to prove a statement about inverse images and did it assuming the function f must have an inverse function.
 
HallsofIvy said:
By the way, even if a function, f, does not have an inverse, we can still define the "inverse image", f-1(A).

Ah yes! This is an important point!

We can also "map" functions over sets. So if A is a set of numbers and f is a function, then we define f(A) = {f(x) for each x in A}.

This gives us cute little properties like

x \in f(A) \Leftrightarrow f^{-1}(x) \in A
 
Thanks! Now I have an idea of the difference between inverse & premiage.

Back to 1) y=f(x)=x^3
Is it even correct to say that x=f -1(y)=y^(1/3) is the inverse of f ? My statsitics textbook is keep doing the same thing again and again...but then there would be inconsistency...x=y^(1/3) and y=x^(1/3) do not give the same graph when you graph them on the xy-plane.
 
No they don't. But one is "x as a function of y" and the other is "y as a function of x". It is still the SAME function in both formulas.
 
Standard math notation makes this slightly more confusing than it needs to be.

When you have a function defined as f(x) = x^3, the function itself is named "f". You would say "f is a cubic function". However, it is very common to confuse "f" with "f(x)" and say that "f(x) is a cubic function". Technically f(x) means "f evaluated at x" or "f with the argument x supplied to it" or something, but in practice, it's usually clear from context what you mean.

A related consequence is that the variable name DOES NOT MATTER. It is arbitrary. If f(x) = x^3, then it is just as true to say f(y) = y^3. Just like how \Sigma_{i=0}^\infty \frac{1}{2^i} is the same as \Sigma_{k=0}^\infty \frac{1}{2^k}. j and k are just dummy variables. Variables used in the definition of functions are the same.

The confusion comes from the implicit function theorem. That is, whenever you have an equation like "y = 3+x" or "z = x + y + z", you can define a function in a natural way. In the first case, "y = 3+x", you could define a function f(x) = 3 + x. In the second, you could define a function of three variables. It is a technique used so often that people almost always start confusing y, which is a real number, and f, which is a function.
 

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