Is (1-D)g(x) the Correct Solution to the Differential Equation?

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The discussion centers around the validity of a proposed solution to a differential equation involving an infinite series of derivatives. Participants explore the implications of defining a function \( g(x) \) in terms of \( y(x) \) and its derivatives, questioning the conditions under which the proposed solution holds true.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that \( g(x) = y + Dy + D^2y + D^3y + \ldots \) leads to \( g(x) = \frac{1}{1-D}y \) and questions if this is a correct solution.
  • Another participant challenges the meaningfulness of the differential equation due to a lack of definition.
  • A different participant clarifies that \( g(x) \) is defined as \( g(x) = y(x) + y'(x) + \sum_{k=2}y^{(k)}(x) \) and questions if the derivative of an infinite sum can be treated as the sum of the derivatives.
  • One participant provides a detailed derivation of \( g'(x) \) and asks if any steps in their reasoning are unjustified, particularly concerning convergence issues.
  • Another participant references Euler's work with infinite order differential equations and argues that such equations are not meaningless, citing a specific example involving Taylor expansion.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of specifying convergence conditions for the series involved, suggesting that the validity of the proposed solution depends on whether the series converges absolutely.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the meaningfulness of the differential equation and the conditions required for the proposed solution to hold. There is no consensus on whether the solution is valid without further specification of convergence.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential limitations regarding the convergence of the series involved in the differential equation, noting that absolute convergence may be necessary for the proposed solution to be valid.

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let,s suppose we have the differential equation:

[tex]g(x)=y+Dy+D^{2}y+D^{3}y+.....[/tex]

D=d/dx, then this is equal to:

[tex]g(x)= \frac{1}{1-D}y[/tex] or inverting [tex]y=(1-D)g(x)[/tex]

although this should be the solution it seems too easy to be true..but is that correct?..thanks.
 
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Well, let me see. If you start with a differential equation that is meaningless (or which, at least, you didn't bother to define) then, I guess, any thing you want to say is just as meaningless as the equation!
 
He's defining a function g by

[tex]g(x) = y(x) + y'(x) + \sum_{k=2}y^{(k)}(x)[/tex]

Assuming that series converges for each x, g is well-defined. Then, is it true that y(x) = g(x) - g'(x) (assuming g, as defined, is differentiable). This essentially asks if it is true that [itex]g'(x) = y'(x) + \sum_{k=2}y^{(k)}(x)[/itex], i.e. is the rule that 'the derivative of a sum the sum of the derivatives' extendible to the case where the sum is one of infinitely many functions?
 
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[tex]g'(x) = \lim _{h\to 0}\frac{\sum_{k=0}y^{(k)}(x+h) - \sum_{k=0}y^{(k)}(x)}{h}[/tex]

[tex]= \lim _{h\to 0}\frac{\lim _{n\to\infty}\sum_{k=0}^ny^{(k)}(x+h) - \lim _{n\to\infty}\sum_{k=0}^ny^{(k)}(x)}{h}[/tex]

[tex]= \lim _{h\to 0}\frac{\lim _{n\to\infty}\sum_{k=0}^n\left (y^{(k)}(x+h) - y^{(k)}(x)\right )}{h}[/tex]

[tex]= \lim _{h\to 0}\lim _{n\to\infty}\sum_{k=0}^n\frac{y^{(k)}(x+h) - y^{(k)}(x)}{h}[/tex]

[tex]= \lim _{n\to\infty}\lim _{h\to 0}\sum_{k=0}^n\frac{y^{(k)}(x+h) - y^{(k)}(x)}{h}[/tex]

[tex]= \lim _{n\to\infty}\sum_{k=0}^n\lim _{h\to 0}\left (\frac{y^{(k)}(x+h) - y^{(k)}(x)}{h}\right )[/tex]

[tex]= \lim _{n\to\infty}\sum_{k=0}^n\lim _{h\to 0}y^{(k+1)}(x)[/tex]

[tex]= \sum _{k=1}y^{(k)}(x)[/tex]

Are any of these steps unjustified? The only lines I'm not sure about are line 3 (does it need absolute convergence) and line 5.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
Well, let me see. If you start with a differential equation that is meaningless (or which, at least, you didn't bother to define) then, I guess, any thing you want to say is just as meaningless as the equation!

Why should it be meaningless?..is a differential equation of infinite order..Euler Himself worked with this type of equations..for example to solve f(x+1)-f(x)=1 he make a Taylor expansion getting:

[tex]1= \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} \frac{y^{n}}{n!}[/tex] (1)

for which he gets the solution (in a form of infinite series)

[tex]y= \sum_{n=0}^{\infty}a_{n} e^{i2\pi i x}[/tex]

where he concludes that the a(n) must be chosen so the equation (1) is satisfied
 
Euler was notoriously unbothered by convergence issues. You should not be. In what space are you asking for the differential series you give to be convergent? You need at least to specify that the sequence is absolutely convergent for all x, and then the result is easy. So the answer is, I suppose: yes when that is true it is trivially true and when it is false it is false. I.e. when you're allowed to rearrange the summation of g(x) it works when you're not it doesn't.

Of course, if the differential operator had norm less than 1 then it would be fine in the sense of Banach spaces.
 

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