Is A=5 and A=x Linear Operators?

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The discussion revolves around the characterization of linear operators, specifically questioning whether the expressions A=5 and A=x can be classified as linear operators. Participants explore definitions, properties, and examples related to linearity in the context of functions and mappings.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant defines a linear operator A as satisfying the condition A(C_1f(x)+C_2g(x))=C_1Af(x)+C_2Ag(x) and questions if A=5 is a linear operator, noting it satisfies the relation but is a scalar.
  • Another participant suggests that A should be seen as taking every function f(x) into the number 5, indicating a need for clarity on domain and codomain.
  • A participant clarifies that A is defined as a multiplicative operator.
  • It is noted that the mapping x → cx, where c is a constant, is a linear map.
  • One participant argues that while the number 5 is not a linear operator, the map x → 5 is a linear operator, defining a constant function as a linear operator on ℝ.
  • Another participant emphasizes that A=x should be defined as the identity map, stating it is a linear operator on ℝ.
  • Further clarification is provided that A should be defined as a mapping from functions to functions, specifically Af(x)=xf(x), and demonstrates that this mapping is linear.
  • Some participants express confusion about the definitions and roles of A in the context of the discussion, leading to repeated clarifications about the nature of the operators being discussed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether A=5 and A=x can be considered linear operators. There is no consensus on the definitions and implications of these operators, leading to ongoing debate and clarification attempts.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of clearly specifying the domain and codomain when discussing linear operators, as well as the need to differentiate between scalar values and function mappings.

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Linear operator A is defined as
[tex]A(C_1f(x)+C_2g(x))=C_1Af(x)+C_2Ag(x)[/tex]
Question. Is A=5 a linear operator? I know that this is just number but it satisfy relation
[tex]5(C_1f(x)+C_2g(x))=C_15f(x)+C_25g(x)[/tex]
but it is also scalar.
Is function ##A=x## linear operator? It also satisfy
[tex]x(C_1f(x)+C_2g(x))=C_1xf(x)+C_2xg(x)[/tex]
Thanks for the answer!
 
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I can't understand what you're doing; I would think the operator A takes every function
f(x) into the number 5.

I think if you clearly specify your domain and codomain, you will see things more

clearly.
 
I define A as multiplicative operator clearly.
 
x → cx, where c is a constant, is a linear map.
 
matematikuvol said:
Linear operator A is defined as
[tex]A(C_1f(x)+C_2g(x))=C_1Af(x)+C_2Ag(x)[/tex]
This should be
[tex]A(C_1f+C_2g)=C_1Af+C_2Ag.[/tex] f and g are functions. f(x) and g(x) are elements of their codomains. What the equality means is that for all x,
[tex](A(C_1f+C_2g))(x)=(C_1Af+C_2Ag)(x)=C_1(Af)(x)+C_2(Ag)(x).[/tex]
matematikuvol said:
Question. Is A=5 a linear operator?
The number 5 isn't, but the map ##x\mapsto 5## is. For every real number t, there's a "constant function" ##C_t:\mathbb R\to\mathbb R## defined by ##C_t(x)=t## for all ##x\in\mathbb R##. These functions are linear operators on ℝ.

Edit 2: OK, I see now that the A you had in mind was something different. Suppose that V is some vector space over ℝ, whose elements are functions with a common domain D. I'll assume that D=ℝ. Define ##A:V\to V## by ##Af=5f## for all f. You can easily show that this A is linear using the same method as in my other edit below.

matematikuvol said:
Is function ##A=x## linear operator?
I wouldn't write that definition like that. x is a variable (that typically represents a real number, not a function). You want to define A as the map ##x\mapsto x##. This is called "the identity map". It's sometimes denoted by I or id, and shouldn't be denoted by x. The proper way to define A as the identity map without using those notations is to say this: Define ##A:\mathbb R\to\mathbb R## by A(x)=x for all ##x\in\mathbb R##.

Yes, the identity map on ℝ is a linear operator on ℝ. The identity map on any vector space is a linear operator on that vector space.

Edit: I see now that that's not the A you had in mind. I stopped reading at "A=x", and assumed that you were denoting the identity map by x. Suppose that V is some vector space over ℝ, whose elements are functions with a common domain D. I'll assume that D=ℝ. Define ##A:V\to V## by saying that for all ##f\in V##, ##Af## is the map from V into V defined by ##Af(x)=xf(x)## for all ##x\in\mathbb R##. (Note that A acts on f, not on f(x). I sometimes use the notation (Af)(x) instead of Af(x) to make that clear. This shouldn't be necessary, since A isn't defined to act on the number f(x), but students often fail to see that). Let ##a,b\in\mathbb R## be arbitrary. For A to be linear, we must have
$$A(af+bg)=aAf+bAg.$$ To see if this holds, let ##x\in\mathbb R## be arbitrary. We have
$$A(af+bg)(x) = x(af+bg)(x) =x(af(x)+bg(x)) =axf(x)+bxg(x) =aAf(x)+bAg(x) =(aAf+bAg)(x).$$ Since x is arbitrary, this implies that ##A(af+bg)=aAf+bAg##. Since a,b are arbitrary, this means that A is linear.
 
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Sorry but I think that you didn't read my post. I defined multiplication operator
which goes from ##f## to ##5f##.
 
matematikuvol said:
Sorry but I think that you didn't read my post. I defined multiplication operator
which goes from ##f## to ##5f##.
OK, I'll edit that part too.

Edit: My first edit of my previous post, at the end of the post, was made before you made post #6. The one marked "Edit 2" was made after I read your reply.
 
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