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The discussion centers around concerns that the United States is evolving into a police state, particularly highlighted by the confiscation of weapons from citizens in New Orleans after a disaster. Participants express frustration over government actions perceived as infringing on constitutional rights, with references to historical parallels and conspiracy theories. There is a mix of sarcasm and serious commentary, with some arguing that the government has long been a police state, while others dismiss such claims as exaggerated. The conversation shifts to the impact of media and public apathy regarding government actions, with participants debating the effectiveness of peaceful protests versus the potential for violent uprisings. The dialogue reflects a deep skepticism about governmental accountability and the ability of citizens to effect change, underscoring a sense of urgency for awareness and action among the public. Overall, the thread captures a blend of humor, cynicism, and serious concern about civil liberties and the future of American democracy.
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oldunion said:
i agree with you here, except that people are not powerless in numbers, why do you think masses of people are always put down with such ruthlessness? power is in numbers and there are more of us than them.
I'm taking into consideration that you are probably a young person and have good intentions and have thoughts that there can actually be "one love" just like the rest of us wish there could be and probably believe that Government officials can actually be held accountable for their actions. We all wish. The fact of the matter is that as long as there is money to be made there will be laws made to suppress those that think differently than those that want ALL the money and or power and unfortunately, they usually go hand in hand. Examples of this would be that, generally, Americans aren't allowed to own fully automatic weapons or posess explosives. Why? Because we would have the capability to fight back and have a chance of making America work for those who actually need it to work for them. I don't have all the answers and don't claim to but I do know that to make this place work like you, me, and the rest of our fellow Citizens wish it would there will have to be a major upheaval in the Government. I'm not saying revolution or civil war, but a MAJOR upheaval and you can spell it any way you like. I really wish I had something profound and/or hopeful to tell you to to bolster your confidence in your ability to make a change that matters but I don't. Unless you have the media on your side and billions of dollars to buy yourself a candidacy, you're stuck on hind-t*t. Have you seen what they do to protesters nowadays? Every one of them is considered a potential terrorist and sequestered away from the person/thing they are protesting so as to prevent the mass media from getting coverage. Yes, the media could go and do their thing where the protesters are but then they would miss the main story and probably lose their job or get arrested by whomever for being out of the "authorized media cage". Having been in the military and having worked for both the Federal Government and several state agencies I can whole heartedly and without a doubt tell you that for whatever plans you may have to make the lives of any Americans better, either through peaceful actions or by violent means, there is already a plan in place to squash you and those close to you to prevent your thought from becoming an ideal for anyone else to follow. It would be like a pit-bull killing a kitten and then deficating/urinating on it and then standing there silently daring anyone else to step up. I wish you the best in your hopefulness.
 
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Evo said:
I think E6S is making fun of the conspiracy theorists with his post.

Gotta love cheerleader knife-fighting though. :biggrin:

I think so too. Hey EVO, E6S any idea when this show might debut on Spike TV? Or will it be part of this years Superbowl Halftime Show (oooohhhh, I hope, I hope, I hope...) :smile:
 
  • #33
oldunion said:
Im keeping my eye on the situation and telling people what i know, that's a significant contribution.
"Keeping your eye on the situation"? :smile:
Another question: What is the biggest emergency you have ever dealt with?
 
  • #34
Francis M said:
I think so too. Hey EVO, E6S any idea when this show might debut on Spike TV?
It comes on right after naked MXC.
 
  • #35
Echo 6 Sierra said:
I'm taking into consideration that you are probably a young person and have good intentions and have thoughts that there can actually be "one love" just like the rest of us wish there could be and probably believe that Government officials can actually be held accountable for their actions. We all wish. The fact of the matter is that as long as there is money to be made there will be laws made to suppress those that think differently than those that want ALL the money and or power and unfortunately, they usually go hand in hand. Examples of this would be that, generally, Americans aren't allowed to own fully automatic weapons or posess explosives. Why? Because we would have the capability to fight back and have a chance of making America work for those who actually need it to work for them. I don't have all the answers and don't claim to but I do know that to make this place work like you, me, and the rest of our fellow Citizens wish it would there will have to be a major upheaval in the Government. I'm not saying revolution or civil war, but a MAJOR upheaval and you can spell it any way you like. I really wish I had something profound and/or hopeful to tell you to to bolster your confidence in your ability to make a change that matters but I don't. Unless you have the media on your side and billions of dollars to buy yourself a candidacy, you're stuck on hind-t*t. Have you seen what they do to protesters nowadays? Every one of them is considered a potential terrorist and sequestered away from the person/thing they are protesting so as to prevent the mass media from getting coverage. Yes, the media could go and do their thing where the protesters are but then they would miss the main story and probably lose their job or get arrested by whomever for being out of the "authorized media cage". Having been in the military and having worked for both the Federal Government and several state agencies I can whole heartedly and without a doubt tell you that for whatever plans you may have to make the lives of any Americans better, either through peaceful actions or by violent means, there is already a plan in place to squash you and those close to you to prevent your thought from becoming an ideal for anyone else to follow. It would be like a pit-bull killing a kitten and then deficating/urinating on it and then standing there silently daring anyone else to step up. I wish you the best in your hopefulness.


Thats a good post, and it inspires me more to pursue my cause. This country has been founded upon principles, that from day one have undermined the pursuit of freedom. Without regard for the deficiencies of capitalism, look at the laws for weapons and assembly, and its obvious (as you said) that such large scale movements would be crushed with a cold ruthlessness. That in itself illustrates the ignorance and arrogance of the founding fathers: to write into law that people can amass to "petition the government for change in peacable means"; to make a system that is unchangeable without destroying it suggests that they believed the system to be supreme- there is no provision for proper change.

"Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."
benjamin franklin

If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.
g-washington

"Those who make peaceful resolution impossible, shall make violent revolution inevitable"
John F. Kennedy

Its like a prophecy they didnt mean to make.

Most people have a mentality that nothing can change, that the system is so incredibly complex and dominating that subservience is normal. When people start asking questions, wondering why such is as it is, and refusing to move through life like "sheople" in general, i call it progress.

Things won't just keep getting worse with an allowance for individual normalcy and "safety" a critical point will be reached, and no one will be able to stand by and watch it anymore, sides will have to be taken.

Im not saying I am going to emerge as a political figure and sway mass sums of people, but i doubt nothing in possibility and i can assure you i won't be sitting idle when the constitution ceases to protect americans.
 

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