Is Angular Momentum Quantized Due to Non-Commutable Rotations?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the quantization of angular momentum, particularly in relation to free particles versus bound systems, and the implications of non-commutable rotations in both classical and quantum contexts.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Laura questions whether angular momentum defined as L = v x r is quantized for a free particle.
  • One participant asserts that for a free particle, angular momentum is not quantized, similar to energy and momentum.
  • Another participant claims that orbital angular momentum is always quantized as it is represented by a Hermitian operator with a discrete spectrum.
  • There is a contradiction noted where one participant states that L is not quantized for free particles, while another insists it is always quantized.
  • A participant suggests that the quantization of angular momentum is related to the non-commutativity of rotations, contrasting it with the quantization of energy which arises from spatial confinement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express conflicting views on whether angular momentum for free particles is quantized, indicating a lack of consensus on this topic.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the definitions of angular momentum and the conditions under which quantization applies, but these assumptions are not universally accepted among participants.

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You can define angular momentum for a free particle, with respect to another particle? i.e.

L = v x r?

This kind of angular momentum, would it be quantized?

thanks
Laura
 
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lark said:
L = v x r?

Actually, in vectors it's

[tex]\vec L = \vec r \times \vec p = \vec r \times m \vec v[/tex]

This kind of angular momentum, would it be quantized?

For a free particle, L is not quantized, just as neither E nor p are quantized. For a bound system such as the hydrogen atom, L is indeed quantized as is of course the energy.
 
L, that is "orbital" angular momentum, -i X * d/dX, is always quantized -- it is a Hermitean operator, and thus has a spectrum, a discrete one in fact. The fact is that, often, we don't use L for free particles -- except, for example, when we are interested in partial wave scattering amplitudes, or in the multipole expansion for photons, or when we are using the Jacob. and Wick formalism, or when we follow Weinberg's approach to free single particle wave functions. (In both of these, you define the state's momentum along the z axis, and generate all other states by means of rotations.)
Regards,
Reilly Atkinson
 
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jtbell said:
For a free particle, L is not quantized,
L is always quantized.
 
And the quantization of am is because rotations don't commute, in quantum and classical worlds. (EDIT: or why is it?)

Whereas the quantization of energy comes from confinement in space. When you confine a wave you get standing waves which only allow a certain set of frequency. Due to energy=Planck constant x frequency you get discrete energy values in quanum physics.
 
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