Is Anti-Fusion a Viable Concept in Physics?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of "anti-fusion" in physics, exploring whether it is a viable idea. Participants examine the relationship between fusion and fission, the stability of atomic nuclei, and the energy dynamics involved in these processes. The conversation includes theoretical considerations and speculative reasoning.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that "anti-fusion" could refer to a process that reverses fusion without breaking atoms, while others argue this is contradictory since breaking atoms is defined as fission.
  • One participant suggests that breaking helium into hydrogen is a form of anti-fusion, noting that it requires energy rather than releasing it.
  • Another participant mentions that breaking up stable small atoms is not easy and requires significant energy input.
  • Some participants clarify that fission involves a neutron-induced chain reaction, while anti-fusion is suggested to be a reversal of fusion.
  • There is a claim that lighter atoms require energy to fission, while they release energy during fusion, and vice versa for heavier atoms.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the scientific basis of the anti-fusion concept, suggesting it may not align with established physics principles.
  • One participant humorously connects the concept to a fictional portrayal in popular media.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for clear definitions when introducing non-standard terminology in physics discussions.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the viability of "anti-fusion." There are multiple competing views regarding its definition and feasibility, with some arguing against its existence and others exploring its implications.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reveals limitations in the definitions and assumptions surrounding fusion and fission, as well as the speculative nature of the term "anti-fusion." There are unresolved questions about the energy requirements and stability of atomic nuclei in these processes.

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hello,
A thought suddenly come to mind, whether anti fission is possible or not. I selected fussion because it is much simmpler then the fission, there is no radioactive disintegration, no fast moving neutrons are ejected. Only gamma rays are emmited.
I know it sounds stupid, but i do not have enough reasons to put it away exept the law of entropy, as all the condition can be assumed to meet, just to explain.
I'd greatly appreciate any help whether in favor or against it.

Thanks
 
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What do you mean by "anti-fusion"?? Breaking a helium atom into hydrogen atoms?

Certainly that is possible. It happens all the time in the interior of the sun, for example. It just takes energy rather than releasing it.
 
Yes. but not only hellium,breaking carbon to hellium, as in white dwarf star.
for all the know fussions.
 
I know breaking up atom is known as fission. but you are mixing it with nuclear fission, where a moving neutron set up a chain reaction, but i reffered anti-fussion to the process in which we somehow just reverse the process of fussion, not breaking as in fission.
Thanx for your interest, i'd greatly appreciate your any further help.
 
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The moving-neutron acts as a promoting factor for the nuclear fission process which already has a tendency to ocuur. If it weren't for the unstability of the bigger nuclei, the neutron would have done nothing. So, it mainly has to do with stability.
Smaller nuclei being stable, will not really be dividable or fissionable, whatever you choose to call it.
 
There are only two processes involved here, fusion and fission. Anti fusion is nonsense. Atoms lighter then iron need extra energy to fission, but they release energy in the fusion process. Atoms heavier then iron require an input of energy to fuse, but they release energy on fission.

In either case, fusion of lighter atoms, or fission of heavy atoms, you must add energy to start the process. Once the process is started you will get back more energy then you added, thus a net gain in energy.


Iron is at the peak of the binding energy curve, it requires additional energy to either fuse or fission. Thus iron can be seen as stellar ashes, it can no longer fuel nuclear reactions of any kind.
 
I did not study the nuclear physics yet
but I think mantly if the fission is opposite of fussion , and you get energy with huge quantity for example :-

1 kg of uranium makes about E=mc^2 =1*(3E8)^2 = 30 , 000 , 000 giga joule

I think in your case "anti-fusion {which I think its fission with it self}" need to exerts this energy to make 1 kg of uranium grouping -------> "I just thought about that , it does not depend on scientific fundamental base" :biggrin:

I hope my answer was succeded


my regards
heaven eye
 
Uranium under goes fission which only results in a small amount of mass being converted into energy. You're equation means 1kg of uranium would have the destructive power of a thermonuclear warhead.
 
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aekanshchumber said:
I know breaking up atom is known as fission... but i reffered anti-fussion to the process in which we somehow just reverse the process of fussion, not breaking as in fission.
That's self-contradictory. If breaking up is fission and combining is fusion, then "anti-fusion" - if there were such a thing - would be fission. Ie, how do you reverse combining atoms without breaking them up?

-Combining: two atoms becomes one. (fusion or "anti-fission")
-Breaking up: one atom becomes two. (fission)
 
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I think this whole concept of anti-fusion thing came out of an episode of justice league.
 
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When people either introduce something that isn't a standard nomenclature of physics, or worse, something they made up on their own, that it is the burden of those people to DEFINE what it is and use a specific example to illustrate this clearly.

Zz.
 

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