Is complex momentum density possible?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of complex momentum density in the context of free Dirac wavefunctions and their behavior under boosts. Participants explore the implications of complex values in momentum density calculations, particularly in relation to the energy-momentum tensor derived from the Dirac Lagrangian. The conversation also touches on the challenges posed by non-normalizable wavefunctions, such as plane wave solutions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Blue2script questions whether obtaining a complex momentum density from a free Dirac wavefunction under boost indicates a mistake or is permissible.
  • xepma suggests that the momentum distribution function can be complex, as the probability is derived from the absolute squared function, |\Psi(p)|^2, which is real-valued.
  • Blue2script acknowledges the complexity of momentum density but emphasizes that the integral over all space should yield a real value.
  • Blue2script raises a concern about defining momentum density for non-normalizable wavefunctions, specifically plane wave solutions, and seeks clarification on how to obtain a suitable definition that yields a real momentum value.
  • Blue2script later proposes that the momentum density could be defined as the momentum density divided by the fermion density.
  • Another participant notes that the energy tensor should always be real and provides reasoning based on properties of bilinears and Fourier expansions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of complex momentum density, with some suggesting it is acceptable while others raise concerns about its physical interpretation. The discussion regarding non-normalizable wavefunctions remains unresolved, with no consensus on how to define momentum density in that context.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the dependence of momentum density on the properties of the wavefunction and the energy-momentum tensor, indicating that assumptions about normalizability and the nature of the wavefunction play a critical role in the discussion.

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Hello!

Just a short question: I am currently calculating the momentum density of a free dirac wavefunction under boost. However, I get some complex density - can this happen or will it be a mistake on my side?

Thanks for your comments!
Blue2script

PS: In some forum there was a note that momentum density is derived from the real Lagrangian. What does that mean? I just took the momentum density given from the energy-momentum tensor of the normal Dirac Lagrangian.
 
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Not completely sure what the context is, but I think you want to get some distributionfunction of the momenta p, i.e. \Psi(p). The function itself can be complex, since when you calculate what the chance is of some outcome you always use the absolute squared function, |\Psi(p)|^2. The argument p is, ofcoure, real-valued.

So yes, it is possible.
 
Thank you xepma for your answer! I guess I was just dump. I wanted to calculate the momentum density of a wavefunction that solves the dirac equation (in my context meaning \Psi\left(x\right)). From the free Dirac equation you can calculate the energy-momentum density T^{\mu\nu}. Integrating T^{00} over the whole space gives you the energy E of the wavefunction, integrating the 0i components gives you the momentum, and so on. However, sure the momentum density can be complex, but the integral over all the space has to be real again. That's just what happens to me if I get my i's right. So I was just blind and dump.

Anyway, thanks again!
With very best regards,
Blue2script
 
Hmmm... now I ran into another problem: how would you define the momentum density of a non-normalizable wavefunction? Consider for example the plane wave solutions of the free Dirac equation, \psi\left(x\right) = u\left(p\right) e^{ipx} (in one dimension). They have momentum p and energy E = \sqrt{p^2 + m^2}. However, these modes are not normalizable since the density of these modes is just constant in space. How can one then define a suitable momentum density whose integral over the space yields p?

I would be very happy about an answer! Thanks!
Blue2script
 
Ok, forget it again, think I got it. It is just the momentum density divided by the fermion density. Anyway, thanks for reading!
 
Hi. You can show that the energy tensor should always be real. You just have to remember that \overline{u(p)}u(p)=a real number, and that \gamma_{\mu}p^{\mu}u(p)=\pm mu(p). When you linearly expand the field in fourier-series, bilinears where p and p' different are sumed in conjugates, and where p and p' are the same are just real numbers.
 
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