Is Corruption an Inherent Part of Human Nature?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of corruption as an inherent aspect of human nature, exploring its implications in personal relationships, particularly with significant others and friends. Participants examine the potential for corruption in social dynamics and the moral complexities surrounding it.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that significant others can facilitate corruption by helping individuals engage in illegal activities, suggesting that this is a fundamental aspect of human relationships.
  • Others argue that corruption is tied to self-interest and a lack of intelligence, indicating that humans often prioritize personal gain over collective well-being.
  • A few participants express confusion about the original post, questioning its clarity and relevance.
  • Some suggest that corruption may stem from a survival instinct, while others challenge this notion by referencing moral teachings, such as the idea of being born sinners.
  • One participant humorously critiques the idea of corruption by presenting a mathematical equation that equates women with evil, which is met with mixed reactions.
  • Several replies highlight the complexity of relationships and the moral dilemmas involved in supporting friends or partners in questionable actions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the nature of corruption or its implications. There are multiple competing views regarding whether corruption is inherent to human nature, its relationship with personal relationships, and the moral considerations involved.

Contextual Notes

Some arguments rely on assumptions about human behavior and morality that remain unexamined. The discussion includes various interpretations of corruption and its manifestations in social contexts, which may not be universally applicable.

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It seems that a significant other is a large potential for corruption. i.e helping you do or get things that someone else will not do due to being illegal. This is most clear when they have a job but break the rules of conduct to help you achieve something. Being friends with someone has a lesser but similar effect. Hence we will never escape corruption. Corruption is to be human.
 
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I'm so glad you cleared that up.
 
What, where , when, i tells you officer twas the other what done it.
Now i feel guilty, i can not even remember where all these pens came from.
 
I had a Jerry Maguire moment recently myself. But because of the stares it generated, I'm afraid to share it again.
 
Sometimes, at night, when no one is listening I eat spaghetti.
 
tgt said:
It seems that a significant other is a large potential for corruption. i.e helping you do or get things that someone else will not do due to being illegal. This is most clear when they have a job but break the rules of conduct to help you achieve something. Being friends with someone has a lesser but similar effect. Hence we will never escape corruption. Corruption is to be human.

This is true if we assume that human's aren't smart and which is true.
Corruption elimination benefits all humans in long run but majority considers only self interests: which causes wars, crime, corruption ... overall loss to all humans.
So, we aren't smart. We are so lost in our own-selves; we develop sense of possessions over other things etc, and there is no solution!

You can even get many examples from this forum indicating "I shouldn't be hurted and I don't care about others" concept.
 
tgt said:
It seems that a significant other is a large potential for corruption. i.e helping you do or get things that someone else will not do due to being illegal. This is most clear when they have a job but break the rules of conduct to help you achieve something. Being friends with someone has a lesser but similar effect. Hence we will never escape corruption. Corruption is to be human.

Lay off the mushrooms.
 
If you have corruption in your roots, maybe you should find a different hairdresser. :rolleyes: I have no idea what the OP is babbling about.
 
I thought this was about Adam and Eve. :confused:
 
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Perhaps the op was suggesting that corruption is an extension of our survival instinct.
 
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Math Is Hard said:
I thought this was about Adam and Eve. :confused:


I think it is. When I was a kid in Sunday school I was told we are all born sinners. :cool:
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
Perhaps the op was suggesting that corruption is an extension of our survival instinct.

Correct or it could be a part of our survival instinct.
 
  • #13
Math Is Hard said:
I thought this was about Adam and Eve. :confused:

Wasn't on my mind.
 
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Moonbear said:
I have no idea what the OP is babbling about.

It isn't clear enough?

Maybe the last two sentences isn't but the others are self explanatory.
 
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tgt said:
It isn't clear enough?

Maybe the last two sentences isn't but the others are self explanatory.

Nope. None of it makes any sense. Look at the responses you go here...it's pretty clear nobody else is sure either.
 
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I thought I knew what he's talking about.
I must also be babbling then ..
 
  • #17
rootX said:
I thought I knew what he's talking about.
I must also be babbling then ..

Maybe it's because you're the source of corruption. :rolleyes:
 
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"It seems that a significant other is a large potential for corruption."

http://www.courtauld.ac.uk/GALLERY/exhibitions/2007/cranach/adam-eve5.jpg

"i.e helping you do or get things that someone else will not do due to being illegal."


I dunno. I think it kinda works.
 
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If your significant other is asking you to do illegal things, you need to find another other! :bugeye:
 
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tgt said:
It seems that a significant other is a large potential for corruption. i.e helping you do or get things that someone else will not do due to being illegal. This is most clear when they have a job but break the rules of conduct to help you achieve something. Being friends with someone has a lesser but similar effect. Hence we will never escape corruption. Corruption is to be human.

Lesseehere...

Because you have a close friend, that friend has some inclination to support your decision to do something, even if it is wrong or illegal. A mere friend is less likely to go that far. This is your idea of corruption, and as such, it is inherent in our nature.

Uh huh.

Okay. We all have some willingness to break rules. I jaywalk once in a while. I equate that to a fair ride. It's a little bit fun. So will just about everyone else break rules to some extent. -Well, maybe not exactly what I do. I think you're describing an under-the-cover negotiation. We want or need something, but the stinkin rules are in our way. Ah hah! We have a friend who is willing to take some risk with us and help us out! I'll remember this and return the favor some day. And wouldn't you know, this is one measure of friendship. So, maybe it's also a way of gauging loyalties and trust.
 
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Moonbear said:
If your significant other is asking you to do illegal things, you need to find another other! :bugeye:

Because Nelson Mandela did it?

Did Gandhi also broke some laws but for sure he was a trouble :rolleyes:

[Only illegal things, I don't think we would call them corrupt .. or maybe they were]
 
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Math Is Hard said:
"It seems that a significant other is a large potential for corruption."

http://www.courtauld.ac.uk/GALLERY/exhibitions/2007/cranach/adam-eve5.jpg

"i.e helping you do or get things that someone else will not do due to being illegal."


I dunno. I think it kinda works.

Ah yes the fig leaf syndrome.:biggrin:
 
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Moonbear said:
If your significant other is asking you to do illegal things, you need to find another other! :bugeye:

I was only referring to them doing illegal things for you.

I remember there was a movie about a female police officer falling in love with a male prisoner and ended up helping him escape prison. What was the movie called?
 
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tgt said:
I was only referring to them doing illegal things for you.
How is that different?

I remember there was a movie about a female police officer falling in love with a male prisoner and ended up helping him escape prison. What was the movie called?

You do realize that movies are FICTION, right? That means they are made up for the sake of entertainment, not because they are true or reflect reality. Someone who starts dating a prisoner already has a screw loose.
 
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I thought money was the root of all evil. Now, I read it's significant others (In my case a woman). :rolleyes: Of course it could be true:

Mathematic proof that Women are evil

first, we state that women require time and money:

Women = time * money

...and as we all know, "time is money":

Time = Money

...and therefore:

Women = Money * Money = (Money)^2

...and because "Money is the root of all evil":

Money = sqrt(evil)

...therefore:

Women = (sqrt[evil])^2

...and we are forced to conclude that:

Women = Evil
 
  • #26
Hey, the math is right. wow. It really is true.
 
  • #27
tribdog said:
Hey, the math is right. wow. It really is true.
Yup. Math don't lie.
 

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