Is dark matter distribution clumpy or homogenous?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the distribution of dark matter in the universe, specifically whether it is clumpy or homogeneous. Participants explore the implications of each scenario on gravitational effects and the behavior of normal matter in galaxies.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether dark matter is affected by gravity and clumped with normal matter or if it is homogeneously distributed throughout the universe, suggesting significant implications for gravitational calculations.
  • Another participant asserts that dark matter does clump, but not as effectively as normal matter, which can interact in multiple ways beyond gravity, leading to different clumping behaviors.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the distribution of dark matter in galaxies, proposing a "donut" model and questioning why normal matter wouldn't distribute similarly if dark matter accounts for a significant portion of the galaxy's mass.
  • One post introduces a concept related to dark matter and high-energy particles, discussing potential interactions near black holes and their implications for cosmic rays, though it diverges from the main focus on distribution.
  • A later reply corrects the misunderstanding about the "halo" concept, clarifying that the dark matter halo is a roughly spherical cloud surrounding the visible galaxy, rather than an optical ring.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of dark matter distribution, with no consensus reached on whether it is clumpy or homogeneous. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of each model.

Contextual Notes

Participants' claims depend on various assumptions about dark matter interactions and gravitational effects, which are not fully explored or settled in the discussion.

BernieM
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While pondering the concept of dark matter with my puny brain, I came to a question I was unable to answer which seems to have some significant implications:

Is Dark Matter affected by gravity and therefore clumped up with other matter in the universe? or is it unaffected by gravity and spread out homogenously throughout the universe?

It seems that either situation presents some further questions to be answered.

If Dark Matter is clumpy and clumps up in the same regions as normal matter, and our calculations of the gravitational effects of 'normal matter' were done without the influence of the knowledge of dark matter, then it seems that normal matter would have a much lesser gravitational effect than we have given it credit for and so would require even more dark matter to exist to create the gravitational effects we see.

If Dark Matter is NOT clumpy and is evenly distributed throughout the universe then normal matter would have to have a much stronger gravitational effect than we have given it credit for. In a scenario of our galaxy, the gravitational effect of dark matter would be helping to keep all the stars in the galaxy from flying off into intergalactic space, where the dark matter in the vicinity of the galaxy beyond the galactic edge would be attempting to pull those stars away from the galactic center with a greater net force than the dark matter within the galaxy was pulling them in.
 
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The answer is that it clumps, but not as easily or to the same degree as "normal" matter. Normal matter has the advantage that it can interact in ways other than by gravity that aid its tendency to clump up.. It can adhere to itself and radiate away excess energy for instance.

DM does neither and has clumped much less. It has formed halos that effect gravity on the scale of galaxies, but there is an insignificant amount in our own Solar system.
 
So then are you saying that in our galaxy that the dark matter is distributed like a donut, the center of the galaxy centered in the donut hole? If I visualize that correctly and dark matter accounts for 80% of the mass and gravity of the galaxy then why wouldn't the rest of the mass distribute itself in the same region as the dark matter?
 
Conversion of dark matter into ultra-high-energy particles
Near an active galactic nucleus, one of these particles can fall into the black hole, while the other escapes, as described by the Penrose process. Some of the particles that escape will collide with incoming particles creating collisions of very high energy. It is in these collisions, according to Pavlov, that ordinary visible protons can form. These protons would have very high energies. Pavlov claims that evidence of this is present in the form of ultra-high-energy cosmic rays.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-high-energy_cosmic_ray
 
BernieM said:
So then are you saying that in our galaxy that the dark matter is distributed like a donut, the center of the galaxy centered in the donut hole? If I visualize that correctly and dark matter accounts for 80% of the mass and gravity of the galaxy then why wouldn't the rest of the mass distribute itself in the same region as the dark matter?

No, you are thinking about a different type of "halo" which is the optical effect that is seen as a ring of light.

The dark matter halo is a roughly spherical cloud in which the visible galaxy is imbedded.
 

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