Is decay spectrum continuous or discrete?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of decay spectra in particle physics, specifically whether the energy of decay products is continuous or discrete. Participants explore various decay modes, the implications of different final states, and the role of conservation laws in determining the characteristics of decay spectra.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the decay spectrum can be discrete in two-body decays, while it may be continuous with more particles involved in the final state.
  • Others argue that the presence of characteristic energies in gamma decay suggests a discrete spectrum, particularly when considering excited states of nucleons.
  • A participant challenges the notion that decay modes are deterministic, emphasizing that multiple decay modes can exist with associated probabilities.
  • There is a discussion about the application of Feynman rules in calculating decay probabilities, with questions raised about the implications of discrete momentum in two-body decays.
  • Some participants clarify that certain decays, such as those involving tau particles, are inherently multi-body, complicating the analysis of their spectra.
  • A later reply discusses the mathematical representation of decay amplitudes, noting that they often involve delta functions and can exhibit discontinuities due to kinematic thresholds.

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Participants express differing views on whether decay spectra are continuous or discrete, with no consensus reached. The discussion includes multiple competing perspectives on the implications of decay modes and the nature of particle interactions.

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Limitations include the dependence on specific decay scenarios and the complexity introduced by multiple decay products. The discussion also highlights unresolved questions regarding the mathematical treatment of decay processes.

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For a definite particle,the decay mode is determinant,finite kind,which embody the characteristic of quantum mechanics.

But for a specific mode of a definite particle's decay,the decay spectrum,ie,energy of products,continuous,or discrete?

Decay is a process which has unique initial condition,a static parent particle.So the result is very interesting.

If it is continuous,why the gamma decay of nucleon has some characteristic energy?

If it is discrete,the amplitude function on energy and momentum would not be continuous,so how to use the analytic way to calculate?
 
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zhangyang said:
But for a specific mode of a definite particle's decay,the decay spectrum,ie,energy of products,continuous,or discrete?
This depends on the final state, i.e., what particles are created in the decay. In a two-body decay, the energy spectrum is discrete (in the rest frame of the decaying particle). With more particles in the final state, the spectra are generally continuous.
zhangyang said:
If it is continuous,why the gamma decay of nucleon has some characteristic energy?
If you mean when an excited nucleus (nucleons do not decay by gamma emission) goes to a ground state, this is a two-body decay. The spectrum is therefore discrete.
 
zhangyang said:
For a definite particle,the decay mode is determinant
No it is not, if multiple decay modes are available you cannot tell in advance which one will be measured. Only branching fractions (probabilities) can be given.

See Orodruin's post for the difference between two and more decay products.

zhangyang said:
If it is discrete,the amplitude function on energy and momentum would not be continuous,so how to use the analytic way to calculate?
To calculate what, how?
 
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Orodruin said:
This depends on the final state, i.e., what particles are created in the decay. In a two-body decay, the energy spectrum is discrete (in the rest frame of the decaying particle). With more particles in the final state, the spectra are generally continuous.

If you mean when an excited nucleus (nucleons do not decay by gamma emission) goes to a ground state, this is a two-body decay. The spectrum is therefore discrete.

I agree.The reason is the conservation of momentum and the relation between momentum and energy which make the two-body-product decay's energy spectrum discrete.
And the gamma decay is always after α or β decay,which make a nucleus excited.So gamma decay is very particular.
 
mfb said:
No it is not, if multiple decay modes are available you cannot tell in advance which one will be measured. Only branching fractions (probabilities) can be given.

See Orodruin's post for the difference between two and more decay products.

To calculate what, how?

Is there some contradiction in application of Feynman rule on the two-body-product decay?Because the probability amplitude is a function on momentum,if the momentum is discrete,or even unique,what is the meaning of it?

Or,QFT is only about elementary particle,whose decay are all many-bodied?You can say τ which decay into ρ and ν(τ),but ρ is not elementary,and make this decay many-bodied.And the contradiction solved?
 
Which Feynman rule?
There is no contradiction.

There are two-body decays of elementary particles. W and Z bosons, the Higgs and the top quark usually decay to two other particles. In addition, it does not matter, hadrons have a well-defined mass in the same way elementary particles have.
 
the tau decays are not 2 bodies...
The tau is in general going to decay into a tau-neutrino + some sets of products = hadrons and leptons...

The hadronic decay will generally form a jet (in general with small R). There your main problem is identifying the jets coming from taus, which need a good algorithm for tau-identifications+ many bodies problem...

The leptons that you will get will be 2 (lepton+ neutrino)
 
ChrisVer said:
The leptons that you will get will be 2 (lepton+ neutrino)

Just for clarification, the lepton+neutrino are in addition to the neutrino already mentioned, making the leptonic tau decays three-body decays. I think this is what you meant to say, but it was not obvious to me on first read.
 
I think I understand what he's asking. Assume you have a theoretical particle ##h## that decays to two other particles ##(b \bar{b})##, I think he's trying to ask if there is some problem with ##\frac{d\Gamma}{d\Omega}## being "discrete" in that its proportional to a delta function over the angle, thus giving a "static" result, in that it is not technically continuous in any given energy spectrum or over any angular spectrum.

I don't think there is any problem with this. Most decays are not continuous in that sense, even in 3-body decays. Remember the final partial width ##\Gamma## is just a number. The mathematical representation of the amplitudes commonly contain delta functions and their derivatives, theta functions if there are kinematic cuts, as well as some cusps/discontinuities due to crossing kinematic thresholds where amplitudes develop an imaginary part. The spectrum has no requirement to be a smooth function I believe.
 
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Orodruin said:
Just for clarification, the lepton+neutrino are in addition to the neutrino already mentioned, making the leptonic tau decays three-body decays. I think this is what you meant to say, but it was not obvious to me on first read.
yes that was what I meant...
I said that tau gives tau neutrino + other products , and then I wrote about those products ^^
 

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