Is Diogenes the modern inspiration we need?

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The discussion revolves around the relevance and inspiration of Diogenes in modern society, exploring themes of individuality, societal values, and the critique of materialism. Participants reflect on the implications of Diogenes' philosophy in contemporary contexts, including education and success.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants appreciate Diogenes as a symbol of respect for those outside traditional success metrics, suggesting his philosophy could uplift the lower class.
  • Others argue that modern society's focus on financial success overshadows the importance of addressing global issues, questioning the necessity of a college education solely for economic gain.
  • Several participants express uncertainty about the desirability of having a figure like Diogenes in today's world, with some questioning the practicality of his lifestyle.
  • A participant draws parallels between Diogenes and modern figures like Poppa Neutrino, suggesting that such individuals embody similar qualities and could be seen as contemporary inspirations.
  • There is a suggestion that Diogenes could be viewed as an early representation of countercultural movements, likening him to a "punk rocker."

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a mix of admiration and skepticism regarding Diogenes, with no clear consensus on his relevance or desirability in modern society. Some express appreciation for his ideals, while others question their practicality.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions reflect personal experiences with education and societal expectations, indicating a variety of perspectives on the value of formal education versus self-education.

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(I posted this on GameFAQs, but this forums is more active than the Gfaqs philosophy forum)

I did feel some things sounded a bit far-fetched, especially the Alexander quotes. However, I at least like the idea of him, and the fact that a character such as him, even if it carries some fiction, is given respect should encourage some of the lower class. It proves you don't have to be a huge success (economy-wise) to gain respect, and I think that should be somewhat uplifting. we really need people like him in this day and age, when everyone is worried about having to go to college, and move up the corporate ladder.
 
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We have a lot of modern day Diogenes. You can find them in any large city.
 
dratsab said:
... when everyone is worried about having to go to college, and move up the corporate ladder.

I don't get this. Of course you want to get a good education if you're a competent individual, but why does everything has to be so focused about earning as much money for yourself as possible... ? Wouldn't it be more important to solve and handle the problems in our world?

I'm too idealistic...
 
TubbaBlubba said:
I don't get this. Of course you want to get a good education if you're a competent individual, but why does everything has to be so focused about earning as much money for yourself as possible... ? Wouldn't it be more important to solve and handle the problems in our world?

I'm too idealistic...

I've educated myself, and I dropped out of college. I might go back, I might not, but I do believe in having a good education.
 
Soooo I had no clue who this diogenes guy is but after reading wiki I have to wonder why you want a guy like this around?
 
magpies said:
Soooo I had no clue who this diogenes guy is but after reading wiki I have to wonder why you want a guy like this around?

Question is, why would you NOT want him around?
 
dratsab said:
Question is, why would you NOT want him around?

He would probably ask you for money.
 
For those doubting Diogenes, I just watched a documentary about Poppa Neutrino, and he seems to have a lot of the qualities I like about Diogenes. So I guess we do have a modern Diogenes, awesome. Any other guys like him?
 
dratsab said:
For those doubting Diogenes, I just watched a documentary about Poppa Neutrino, and he seems to have a lot of the qualities I like about Diogenes. So I guess we do have a modern Diogenes, awesome. Any other guys like him?

I think Diogenes is awesome don't get me wrong. I would say he was the first punk rocker.
 

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