Is Division by Zero Possible in Physics?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of division by zero in the context of physics, exploring whether it can be applied or understood differently than in mathematics. Participants examine various implications and interpretations of division by zero within physical theories, mathematical modeling, and coordinate systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that division by zero is undefined in mathematics, prompting questions about its applicability in physics.
  • One viewpoint suggests that division by zero can indicate different issues in physics, such as algebraic errors, incorrect assumptions, or theoretical flaws.
  • Examples are provided, such as the gravitational acceleration at the center of the Earth, which highlights the limitations of certain assumptions in physical models.
  • Another participant notes that mathematical analogies in physics may have weaknesses, particularly when using slopes versus angles to describe directions.
  • L'Hopital's rule is mentioned as a method to handle cases involving zero in the denominator, indicating a mathematical approach to the problem.
  • A participant introduces the idea of "bad choice of coordinates" as a potential issue related to division by zero, using Schwarzschild coordinates at black hole event horizons as an example.
  • Some participants emphasize that there is no function for dividing by zero, reiterating the mathematical perspective.
  • Another comment mentions that the limit of a function approaching zero can yield a specific angle, suggesting a nuanced view of the concept.
  • One participant states outright that deviation by zero is impossible, reinforcing the notion of its undefined nature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the implications of division by zero in physics, with no consensus reached. Some agree on its undefined nature, while others propose various interpretations and contexts where it might be considered.

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Limitations include the dependence on specific assumptions and definitions related to physical theories and mathematical models. The discussion does not resolve the complexities surrounding division by zero in different contexts.

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In mathematics, this operation is undefined. But what about in physics? Are there any special rules associated with division by zero?
 
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Division by zero represents one of several things in physics (not indended as an exhaustive list), in order of increasing problematicness:

1) You did your algebra wrong.
2) Your assumptions are wrong.
3) Your theory is wrong.

Examples of 1 abound. An example of #2 would be something like "What is the gravitational acceleration at the center of the Earth? Well, Gravitational force is Gm/r^2, and so at the center r=0 and it diverges". Obviously the incorrect assumption is that we can treat all the mass of the Earth as concentrated at a point while inside its structure.

An example of #3 might be singularities which appear in Einstein's General Relativity. Many people believe these singularities are artifacts which merely appear due to the lack of a quantum theory of gravity, rather than physical objects. I suppose, in a way, this is a special case of #2 where the assumption is fundamental to your theory. But the essential difference is #2 is a modeling error, whereas #3 is a theoretical error.
 
Sometimes math analogies used to describe physics can have weaknesses in the way they are implemented. For example, if a direction on a 2d surface is described as a slope, such as y/x, then a line in the y direction has a slope of y/0. If the direction was described as a counter clockwise angle from the x-axis (polar coordinate convention), then the problem doesn't exist.
 
Like your answer, Nabeshin.
 
Jeff Reid's response just reminded me of another thing that divide by zero could signify in a physical theory, which ranks more problematic than algebra but less than assumptions:

1.5) Bad choice of coordinates.

For example, schwarzschild coordinates are singular at the event horizon of a black hole, even though there is nothing particularly singular about this location. Of course, there are many other trivial examples you could make up with just applying some singular transformation to normal Cartesian coordinates, but I like this one :)
 
As far as physics and mathematics are concerned, there is not function for dividing by 0.
 
Following up with my previous example, to convert slope into an angle, the limit of tan-1(1/x) as x->0 is π/2.
 
Deviation by zero is impossible.
 

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