Is e: [0,1] --> S^1 a Quotient Map?

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The discussion revolves around whether the map e: [0,1] --> S^1 is a quotient map, with participants exploring the properties of this mapping in relation to neighborhoods and their preimages. The scope includes theoretical considerations of topology and properties of quotient maps.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant argues that e: [0,1) --> S^1 is not a quotient map due to the nature of neighborhoods on the unit circle and their preimages.
  • Another participant agrees that the preimage of certain arcs is not closed, suggesting that this does not imply the preimage should be closed or open.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the distinction between the two mappings and requests clarification on why e: [0,1) is not a quotient map while e: [0,1] is.
  • There is a mention of the preimage of the arc being open in [0,1) but not in the context of the inverse mapping from S^1.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on certain observations regarding the preimages of arcs, but there is no consensus on the overall status of the mappings as quotient maps. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these observations on the quotient map status.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that the properties of the neighborhoods and their preimages are crucial to understanding the quotient map status, but there are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions and implications of closed and open sets in this context.

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Hey PF!
As usual, I'm having issues understanding some basic examples D:

e: [0,1) --> S^1 is not a quotient map. Any neighborhood on the unit circle starting at 1 and going around to e^(i*2pi*c) l be a not open neighborhood (it's complement is not closed) of the unit circle who's preimage is [0,c), which is open in [0,1).

Cool! I believe that this map is not a quotient map. My book goes on to say that:
e: [0,1] -->S^1 is a quotient map because it is also a closed map. Cool, that makes sense to me! I mean before we had the closed neighborhood [a,1) that would map to the not closed neighborhood [e^(i*2pi*a), 1), but now we don't have that problem!

However, to me it still seems that the neighborhood in the unit circle [1,e^(i*2pi*c)) will be a not closed map whose preimage will be [0,c) U {1} which is $NOT$ open either...

Okay so I made the word NOT all fancy because I realized as I was writing this that it was not open because I'm now including the singleton {1}, but I'm going to post this anyway so ya'll can look at my thoughts and give me some feedback as to if my thinking is correct or what not :D
 
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Your observation that the pre image of the arc ##\{e^{2\pi i t}:0\leq t<c\}## for fixed ##0<c<1## is not closed is correct. But this arc is not closed (or open), so we don't have any reason to expect that its pre image should be closed (or open).
 
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Infrared said:
Your observation that the pre image of the arc ##\{e^{2\pi i t}:0\leq t<c\}## for fixed ##0<c<1## is not closed is correct. But this arc is not closed (or open), so we don't have any reason to expect that its pre image should be closed (or open).
Ah shoot. Can you explain to met again why [0,1)---> S^1 is not a quotient map but [0,1] ----> S^1 is?
 
Infrared said:
Your observation that the pre image of the arc ##\{e^{2\pi i t}:0\leq t<c\}## for fixed ##0<c<1## is not closed is correct. But this arc is not closed (or open), so we don't have any reason to expect that its pre image should be closed (or open).
I think I meant that that in the inverse map from S^1 --> [0,1), the set [0,c) is open but it's pre-image is not.
 

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