Is Electromagnetism the Force Behind Dye Movement in Electrophoresis?

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The discussion centers around the forces responsible for the movement of charged dyes in electrophoresis, particularly whether electromagnetism is the appropriate framework for understanding this phenomenon. Participants explore the roles of electric forces, magnetic forces, and other factors such as viscosity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that electromagnetism is the main force behind the movement of charged dyes, questioning the teacher's assertion that it is incorrect.
  • Some participants argue that only electric forces are relevant in this context, dismissing the role of magnetism.
  • Another participant suggests that while electromagnetism is a broader framework, it may not be necessary to use it to describe the specific interactions at play in electrophoresis.
  • One participant emphasizes that friction due to viscosity is an important factor in the movement of the dyes, countering the claim that it is negligible.
  • Another participant notes that electrophoresis can be categorized under the electromagnetic force when considering the four fundamental forces, but questions the convenience of this categorization for practical observations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the role of electromagnetism versus electric forces in the movement of dyes. There is contention regarding the significance of friction and whether it can be disregarded in this context.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the dependence on definitions of forces and the context in which they are discussed, noting that the relevance of electromagnetism may vary based on the specific aspects of electrophoresis being considered.

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So there was a question on this sheet in my biology class which asked what main force is responsible for the movement of dyes (these dyes had a formal charge and were all water soluble, and were small molecules). I answered electromagnetism. This was marked wrong and he said it was wrong because they aren't like magnets, it is more of an attraction to a large electric charge. I could just be stupid but is that not what electromagnetism is? The interaction of charged particles, magnetic fields and electric current?... Did he just not know what electromagnetism was or am I in the wrong here?
 
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I agree with your teacher, no magnetism here, only electric forces.

In a way you are right that electric interactions are part of a larger system of interactions, but there is no need to describe the phenomenon using the most general theory. When you call for electromagnetism here it sounds as if you were guessing.
 
Borek said:
I agree with your teacher, no magnetism here, only electric forces.

In a way you are right that electric interactions are part of a larger system of interactions, but there is no need to describe the phenomenon using the most general theory. When you call for electromagnetism here it sounds as if you were guessing.
But electromagnetism is responsible for the charge of the molecules, their and their movement in the electric field. When the question asked what force was responsible for the movement it seemed like it was looking for a the general force that caused it. Especially when friction wasn't a factor due to the size and solubility of the particles.
 
RED119 said:
Especially when friction wasn't a factor due to the size and solubility of the particles.

Quite the opposite, friction due to viscosity (as described by the Stoke's law) is an important factor here.

As I said before: no magnetic counterpart to the process, Coulomb forces are perfectly enough to explain the drift.
 
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In the context of the four fundamental forces (strong, weak, electromagnetism, gravity), I agree that electrophoresis falls under the category of a phenomena involving the electromagnetic force.
 
Ygggdrasil said:
In the context of the four fundamental forces (strong, weak, electromagnetism, gravity)

Question is whether it is a convenient context to discuss observations in this case.
 

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