Is Google Too Powerful? Should it Be Broken Up?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of Google's dominance in the digital space, particularly concerning privacy, data control, and whether the company should be broken up due to its extensive reach and influence over personal information. Participants explore various aspects of privacy, government surveillance, and the potential consequences of Google's data practices.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern over Google's control of vast amounts of personal information through services like Gmail and its search engine, questioning whether one company should hold such power.
  • Others argue that the issue is primarily about privacy rather than the company's size, suggesting that breaking up Google may not address the underlying privacy concerns.
  • A participant proposes that laws could be enacted to prevent the tracking of personal web activity while still allowing demographic data collection.
  • There are assertions that Google may not directly share user data with the government, but rather allow access under certain conditions, raising questions about transparency.
  • Some participants feel that privacy fears are exaggerated, arguing that if individuals are not engaging in illegal activities, they should not be concerned about surveillance.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential for misinterpretation of online searches, suggesting that innocent inquiries could be misconstrued as suspicious behavior.
  • Participants discuss the broader implications of surveillance, comparing online privacy to physical privacy in one's home, emphasizing the importance of maintaining personal boundaries.
  • There is a mention of existing legislation, such as the Child Online Protection Act, highlighting Google's past refusal to provide personal information to the government, which some view as a positive stance on privacy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether Google should be broken up or if privacy concerns can be adequately addressed through regulation. Multiple competing views exist regarding the implications of Google's data practices and the nature of privacy itself.

Contextual Notes

Some arguments rely on assumptions about the nature of government surveillance and the effectiveness of potential regulations. The discussion reflects a range of perspectives on privacy, legality, and the ethical implications of data collection.

  • #31
Sorry! said:
Just because people know what you've been doing online is by NO MEANS taking ANY of your freedom away... you can ALWAYS still do whatever you want whenever you want to. If you WANT to do illegal activites that's your choice and you are FREE to do that however their are consequences and if you get caught that's your own problem.

and that wasn't really what i was mainly talking about before. I'm sure google uses this information they collect but i would hardly believe that they go through EACH individual internet user and see who they are and what they have been doing. They probably have a method to take all the data and categorize it all. Even if they had categorized it based on your skin colour etc. They still will never meet you and you'll never have one of those awkward 'I've seen your internet history' moments with them.
So again, why does it TRULY matter... because you just FEEL that you should be able to do whatever you want without other people knowing? Why should your irrational feelings matter at all?


As for the 'security camera's in the house issue' how is that even comparable? This is YOUR house and its NOT YOUR internet or databases etc. etc. This is more comparable to the Library tracking what books you take out in order to better suggest other books. Or the Library putting camera's to catch vandals (at the same time they watch you but WHO CARES?) This is NOTHING like the government coming INTO your house uninvited and just doing whatever, it's far from. and if you feel that it IS comparable to that then just don't go on the sites... then you will never invite them 'into' your house.
but even in the library case its much different because they know you and see you in person. So it might feel awkward sometime if someone were to be like 'we have these new sex position books I've noticed that you take interest in this topic would you like to see them' you would be like "OMG" but if that happened over the internet you could just make it go away. For instance SPAM mail.

HAVE IT BE KNOWN, I however DO NOT agree with say google SELLING this information to the Police when all the information they have gathered is INFERRED. Like you guys said about building the bombs, even though i highly doubt that the police will be knocking at my door tomorrow (cause i was actually just on a site about that to see something my friend talked about) I would be pretty pissed off if it did happen.
There are online activites where it is KNOWN to be illegal. For instance downloading child pornography... were you just 'interested' in the 5 GB's you downloaded of movies and images? I highly doubt that would fly... or Pirating software/movies etc. You do it often enough I am certain something will eventually happen, if it's these huge companies that sell the information or the police doing their own investigation i have no idea. But i don't think these illegal activities rely on inferrence at all.




And what happens when a competitor come along in the near future (which will inevitably happen) and starts eating into a large chunk of google's profits? What is to keep google from going into the information selling business to stay afloat? Nothing.


What if google decides one day to sell information to potential employers who are doing background and reference checks on people they are interviewing for a job ? They might see that you might have looked up chronic back pain treatments on google last year and not offer you the job because 'you are too much of a risk/liability'. You have almost no rights to privacy when it comes to the internet.
 
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  • #32
All I keep reading on here is that you're 'scared' that google will give this information to people who may or may not abuse it and your rights. How is this a) googles problem or fault? and b) even a big deal?

When I turn on the American news someone is sueing someone else every minute, why not just join the masses and when you don't get that job because google sold your information to a potential employer and they found out somehow... (who knows why they would assume anything based on you looking up chronic backpain??) that you have something wrong with you then sue them I am certain in this case there is a lot of money to be gained. I know even in Canada that there would be a lot of money to be gained if this ever occurred. While we're talking about 'what ifs' instead of what's actually happening what if suddenly it was ok for employers to swipe my health card to get all that information on me and use it against me. Should i attack the Ontario Ministry of Health and shut down their database because my rights may some point in the future be infringed upon? Hell no.
 
  • #33
I'm more concerned about the government managing medical information and (possibly) deciding who should receive treatment (universal health).
 

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