Is Gravity Relative to Density Alone

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between gravity and material density, questioning whether gravity is solely dependent on density or if the type of material also plays a role. The scope includes theoretical considerations and implications for general relativity.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that gravity is dependent on density, defined as mass per unit volume, suggesting that different materials with varying densities still adhere to this principle.
  • Others argue that gravity is fundamentally dependent on mass rather than density, citing that general relativity assumes gravitation is independent of the type or composition of material.
  • A later reply questions the robustness of the assumption that active gravitational mass behaves similarly to passive gravitational mass, noting that while passive gravitational mass has been extensively tested, active gravitational mass has not received as much scrutiny, referencing the limited precision of existing experiments.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether gravity is solely a function of density or if material type influences gravitational effects. The discussion remains unresolved, with competing perspectives on the validity of assumptions in general relativity.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of extensive testing on active gravitational mass compared to passive gravitational mass, and the implications of potentially untested assumptions within general relativity.

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I apologize if this comes off as a dumb question, but does anyone know if gravity is ABSOLUTELY simply dependent on density alone, regardless of the type of material itself, or does the type material also factor into it's gravity?
 
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Density: The mass density or density of a material is defined as its mass per unit volume.

I would say yes. The materiel itself obviously can be different, which would have different densities, but its still mass per volume.
 
mAMBOkING said:
I apologize if this comes off as a dumb question, but does anyone know if gravity is ABSOLUTELY simply dependent on density alone, regardless of the type of material itself, or does the type material also factor into it's gravity?
Mass, not density. That gravitation is independent of the type or composition of material is one of the principle assumptions of general relativity.

This assumption, if false, would completely dismantle general relativity. An untested core principle is a bad thing, so of course this assumption has become one of the most precisely tested and verified principles of all of physics.
 
Not a dumb question at all. It's a question I've thought about a lot. And even though the composition dependency of passive gravitational mass has been thoroughly tested, from Newtons pendulum experiments to STEP, the case for active gravitational mass has received very little attention. In fact, the one and only laboratory test to date is the Kreuzer experiment of 1968. It obtained a precision of 5x10-5. Compare that to the better than 1x10-11 precision for passive gravitational mass experiments. So this principle assumption of GR is not as well tested as most people think.
 

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