Is It Better to Run or Walk in the Rain?

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The discussion centers around the question of whether it is better to run or walk in the rain, referencing a paper by Seongtaek Seo that explores this problem using mathematical models. Participants examine the implications of the models presented in the paper, as well as their applicability to real-world scenarios.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference the paper's approach of calculating the volume swept by different shapes and the density of raindrops to argue that running may be better than walking, depending on the angle of the rain.
  • Others challenge the validity of the models used in the paper, noting that real-world running involves factors like splashing and body movement that are not accounted for in the theoretical framework.
  • A participant mentions that the Mythbusters attempted to explore this question, suggesting that their findings indicate the complexity of the issue.
  • One participant proposes that the author should simplify the problem by removing human and weather variables to better control the experiment.
  • Another participant points out that if walking speed is half of running speed, this would result in longer exposure to rain while walking, which could influence the outcome regardless of other factors.
  • There is a note that a previous thread on the same paper exists, indicating ongoing interest and discussion about the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of the models presented in the paper and whether they accurately reflect real-world scenarios. There is no consensus on the conclusions drawn from the paper or the implications for running versus walking in the rain.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations in the discussion include the reliance on simplified models that may not capture the complexities of human movement and environmental factors. The paper's assumptions and the lack of gravity in the model are also noted as potential issues.

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I am looking for other opinions on the following that has come to my attention:

Seongtaek Seo (2013) Orthogonal Projection & Run or Walk in the Rain?
European Journal of Scientific Research
ISSN 1450-216X / 1450-202X Vol. 113 No 4 October, 2013, pp.560-570
Abstract:
In this paper, we will find the orthogonal projected length or area of some figures.
Especially it will show the simplest way to find the orthogonal projected area of ellipsoid. And
then we apply them to the problem “Run or walk in the rain?” We will consider that the objects
move in the rain in a given time as well as in a given distance. And we also take into account an
object which moves leaning its body. By a simple method in this paper, we can check the
conclusions the previous authors pointed out. Furthermore we can obtain the new formulas and
results. So I think, at least in theory, this paper will show the way to reach the final conclusion
about this problem.

Background see https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=4603262.
I don't know what to think about the journal ... a pdf of the paper is attached to the linked thread.
Is that typical of the sort of thing they publish?

The author basically works out the volume that various primitives (rectangular prism, spheroid, cylinder) sweep out and multiplies this by the number density of raindrops ... the whole thing looks like it's done in the reference frame of the ground.

I think the conclusion is that running is better than walking, provided you run at the right angle to the rain. This appears to contradict simple experiments conducted using natural running vs walking in simulated in-Nature weather.

Author thinks there is application to astrophysics.
 
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Real running is very different from models. Mythbusters took a crack at this once, and you can see from how they went about it that there are a lot of factors going into it.

But if we do take a model where a solid body simply moves through a field of rain drops (rain's frame of reference is far more convenient here) is there any surprise that moving faster gets the object less wet? A plane parallel to rainfall is going to seep out exactly the same area regardless. A plane orthogonal rain fall is going to pick up very little if it moves fast enough. An arbitrary body will trivially fall somewhere in between, with a slight advantage for a fast moving object.

But an actual running person is going to splash, bob, and go through a different sequence of poses than a walking person. Comparing such a simplistic model to an experiment with an actual person is absolutely pointless.
 
Yeah I saw the Mythbusters clip.

The model may be better applied to a planetoid moving through a debris field ... except: no gravity in the model.
I was surprised that it got published - then I find out that it is "pre-review". <sigh>
 
I believe the author would do better to remove the human and weather elements of the paper, and reduce the problem to a set of variables that can be accounted for and controlled. Or at least try to account for them to a higher degree, right now the paper fails at drawing his conclusion.
 
Has it occurred to anyone that if walking speed is half of running speed, one would be exposed to the rain for twice the time when walking? It's a fairly simple proposition regardless of the angle of the rainfall and the direction that the person might take.
 
There is already a thread on this paper. Please don't spawn additional threads.

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=4606353#post4606353
 

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