Is it possible to have structures older than 500,000 years old

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of structures existing that are older than 500,000 years, with a focus on archaeological findings and the durability of ancient constructions. Participants explore the limits of current archaeological knowledge and the potential for undiscovered ancient structures.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the oldest known structures date back to around 4500 BC, questioning whether older structures might exist that have yet to be discovered.
  • Gobekli Tepe is mentioned as a significant archaeological site, dating over 12,000 years old, which challenges conventional timelines of civilization development.
  • Çatalhöyük is referenced as another ancient settlement, existing from approximately 7500 BC to 5700 BC, highlighting the existence of complex societies long before recorded history.
  • There is skepticism about the durability of buildings lasting 500,000 years, with some participants doubting the feasibility of such longevity.
  • Participants discuss the potential for archaeologists to find materials from collapsed buildings, noting that excavations often reveal multiple layers of ancient cities built upon one another.
  • Some contributions mention specific archaeological sites in Scotland, dating back to 10,500 BCE, and the implications of glacial periods on the preservation of wooden structures.
  • A claim is made about the existence of artificial structures dated to 200,000 to 500,000 years ago, though this is presented without consensus or further elaboration.

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Participants express a range of views, with no clear consensus on the existence of structures older than 500,000 years. Some agree on the limits of current archaeological knowledge, while others propose the possibility of undiscovered ancient sites.

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Limitations include the dependence on current archaeological findings, the challenges of dating ancient structures, and the potential for undiscovered sites that could alter existing timelines.

Apple_Mango
It appears the oldest structures don't go father than 4500 BC. I was wondering if it's possible that were are structures that go beyond 4500 BC that we just haven't discovered yet? I doubt that there are buildings that can last for 500,000 years before falling down. However, is it possible that archaeologist can find materials from collapse buildings?
 
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Gobekli Tepe in Turkey is more than 12,000 years old.

The world’s oldest monuments may soon get an image makeover. A new project will promote and preserve http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/06/gobekli-tepe/mann-text, home to the most ancient temple structures ever discovered.

Turkey hopes to eventually boost tourism at the site, which is in a region where tourism has declined because of the nearby Syrian conflict and refugee crisis.

Since excavations began in 1995, the site in southeastern Turkey has changed the way archaeologists think about the origins of civilization. Its circular structures, with their elaborately carved stones and distinctive, T-shaped pillars, are more than 12,000 years old—older than the invention of agriculture or even pottery.

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/01/150120-gobekli-tepe-oldest-monument-turkey-archaeology/
 
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Oh, I entered in google and it appears the oldest buildings were 4500 thousand years old. I missed those articles.
 
Apple_Mango said:
Oh, I entered in google and it appears the oldest buildings were 4500 thousand years old. I missed those articles.
That's why we're here. :smile:
 
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Apple_Mango said:
it appears the oldest buildings were 4500 thousand years old.

I doubt very much it is 4500 thousand, i.e. 4.5 million. Human ancestors hadn't begun to walk upright yet.
 
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Apple_Mango said:
It appears the oldest structures don't go father than 4500 BC. I was wondering if it's possible that were are structures that go beyond 4500 BC that we just haven't discovered yet? I doubt that there are buildings that can last for 500,000 years before falling down. However, is it possible that archaeologist can find materials from collapse buildings?
We find residences nearly that old, Sterkfontein comes to mind immediately. But the technology didn't exist to building structures more complicated than wickiups until we got together to make civilizations.

The lunatic fringe will claim otherwise, of course.
 
Noisy Rhysling said:
... The lunatic fringe will claim otherwise, of course.

You mean, like this?

H. P. Lovecraft said:
The nightmare corpse-city of R'lyeh…was built in measureless eons behind history by the vast, loathsome shapes that seeped down from the dark stars. There lay great Cthulhu and his hordes, hidden in green slimy vaults...
 
gmax137 said:
You mean, like this?
There's retro silent movie out now, "The Call of Cthulhu", available on Amazon.
 
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Apple_Mango said:
However, is it possible that archaeologist can find materials from collapse buildings?
They do it all the time. They can dig at the sites of old cities that were built on the ruins of earlier cities. Sometimes at some of the digs in the middle east, archeologists find the remains of four or more sites that were sacked at various times over the past several thousand years.
 
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Apple_Mango said:
It appears the oldest structures don't go father than 4500 BC. I was wondering if it's possible that were are structures that go beyond 4500 BC that we just haven't discovered yet? I doubt that there are buildings that can last for 500,000 years before falling down. However, is it possible that archaeologist can find materials from collapse buildings?
In addition to the example given, there are paleolithic ruins in Scotland.
Early Human Habitation
The history of ancient Scotland is told through the standing stones, ancient settlements, and burial places built by those who lived in the region. No written history of the people who came to be known as the Scots exists prior to the coming of the Romans in 79/80 CE. By that time, the land had been inhabited for thousands of years. In the 1960's CE, the archaeologist John Mercer established that the stone rings found at Lussa Wood and the Mesolithic settlement, An Carn, both on the Isle of Jura in the Inner Hebrides, are the oldest stone structures in Scotland, dating back to 7000 BCE with seasonal settlement of the area going back at least to 10,500 BCE.

Even so, there are ancient sites on the island of Rum, further north, which have been dated to 7700 BCE, and the famous site at Crammond, near Edinburgh, dates to 8400 BCE. There is further evidence of Mesolithic settlements (some seasonal) found on nearby Oronsay, at Kintyre, Luce Bay and further on in Fife, and the Paleolithic site at Howburn Farm in Biggar, though certainly a seasonal camp, dates to 12,000 BCE.
https://www.ancient.eu/scotland/

Much of the northern parts of North America and the Eurasian continent were covered in glaciers, ice and snow, during the ice ages. Wooden structures would have decayed over that period. Many stone structures can be found buried.

If a stone/rock structure was made of granite, it could last many millennia, but that would require the ability to quarry granite, basalt, or similar rock, and possesses stone masonry skills.

One should look into Paleolithic cultures.
 

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