Is It Possible to Oppose and Accept Torture Simultaneously?

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The forum discussion centers on the complex relationship between the acceptance and opposition to torture, as articulated by John Gibson. He asserts that one can be against torture while simultaneously advocating for its legality, a concept rooted in George Orwell's notion of doublethink. Participants debate the implications of this stance, questioning the ethical ramifications and the potential for confusion it creates regarding U.S. policy on torture and national security. The conversation highlights the paradox of maintaining a legal framework for torture while claiming moral opposition to it.

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  • #31
Art said:
I'm not sure if this is doublespeak or just double dutch.
I've highlighted in the passage below the actual quotes from Bush. It's difficult to decipher exactly what he is saying as it appears to be self-contradictory. :confused:
It sounds as if he is saying first we do not torture then that we do where necessary to protect America and then that they don't want to be doing anything illegal which I presume is why he doesn't want this bill passed making torture illegal? Then again maybe he just doesn't have a clue what he is talking about

it sounds as if he trying to give a potentialy effective tool to his intelligence gathering people that happens to be discribed as torture and wants to advocate it while avoiding the negative connotations with the word torture
 
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  • #32
devil-fire said:
does anyone personally believe that the restrictions on torture should not apply to the cia?
it seems some are debating if the said comments are agreeable while others are just clarifying or rephrasing the comments while equally disagreeing with them
Personally speaking I think torture is abhorant and should never be used by countries which wish to be considered civilised.
The argument that it is a valid tool in the fight against terrorism is self-defeating as lowering yourself to the same level as terrorists makes you as bad as them.
 
  • #33
Yes it should... I trust your CIA less then you care to believe. On top of this I aggree with Art that it is a disgusting practise
 

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