Is Kolmogorov Complexity Infinite for All Noncomputable Irrational Numbers?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Kolmogorov complexity of irrational numbers, particularly focusing on whether noncomputable irrational numbers possess infinite complexity. Participants explore methods to determine the complexity and examine examples that illustrate the nuances of noncomputable numbers.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to determine the Kolmogorov complexity of an irrational number and suggests that the shortest formula to compute the number may be relevant.
  • Another participant asserts that if a number is an uncomputable real, it has infinite complexity.
  • A participant presents an example involving a noncomputable number with interspersed zeros, noting that it requires less information to compute than the original number, suggesting that not all noncomputable numbers exhibit the same level of randomness.
  • There is a remark that the example may imply a paradoxical situation akin to infinity divided by two equating to infinity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the example presented, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding the nature of randomness among noncomputable numbers and their Kolmogorov complexity.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the definitions of Kolmogorov complexity and noncomputable numbers, which may not be universally agreed upon. The implications of the example regarding information requirements are also not fully explored.

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How would I figure out the Kolmogorov complexity of an irrational number?
Could I just look at the shortest formula to compute that number.
If it is an uncomputable real, does it have infinite complexity?
 
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Yes, and yes.
 
cragar said:
How would I figure out the Kolmogorov complexity of an irrational number?
Could I just look at the shortest formula to compute that number.
If it is an uncomputable real, does it have infinite complexity?

I saw an interesting example online the other day. Take a noncomputable number and interperse 0's in every other digit position. Then for each finite-length initial segment, it takes just a little more than half as much information to compute the number with the 0's in every other position as it does to compute the original number. So not all noncomputable numbers are equally random. It's tricker than I'd realized.
 
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where did you see this example
 
SteveL27 said:
I saw an interesting example online the other day. Take a noncomputable number and interperse 0's in every other digit position. Then for each finite-length initial segment, it takes just a little more than half as much information to compute the number with the 0's in every other position as it does to compute the original number. So not all noncomputable numbers are equally random. It's tricker than I'd realized.

That sounds suspiciously like infinity/2 = infinity.
 

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