Is Masaru Emoto's Water Experiment Science or Pseudoscience?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around Masaru Emoto's water experiments, which claim that water can change its crystalline structure in response to various stimuli such as music and words. Participants explore whether these claims are scientific or pseudoscientific, examining the methodology, peer review status, and implications of Emoto's work.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that Emoto's experiments produce random crystal formations, suggesting that the selection of favorable images is biased.
  • Others mention that Emoto's work has been published in a peer-reviewed journal, but question the rigor of the review process, noting it was a photo essay rather than a scientific article.
  • A participant expresses skepticism about the notion of water being sentient, questioning the logic behind attributing human-like responses to water.
  • Some participants discuss the influence of external factors, such as pollutants and freezing nuclei, on crystal formation, implying that these factors may undermine Emoto's claims.
  • There are references to the popularity of Emoto's ideas, particularly due to their inclusion in the film "What the Bleep," which some participants believe requires critical examination.
  • One participant shares a personal anecdote about attending a spiritual event related to Emoto's claims, indicating a desire to observe any effects firsthand.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of Emoto's claims. There are multiple competing views regarding the scientific merit of his experiments, with some participants defending his work while others criticize it as pseudoscience.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in Emoto's methodology, including potential biases in crystal selection and the lack of rigorous scientific validation for his claims. The discussion also reflects a mix of skepticism and curiosity about the intersection of science and spirituality.

  • #31
I haven't seen anything that would imply Radin is a crackpot. What makes u say so?
 
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  • #32
PIT2 said:
I haven't seen anything that would imply Radin is a crackpot. What makes u say so?
Because it's well known that he's a sandwich short of a picnic.

"The new material includes interviews with a crackpot parapsychologist (Dean Radin, from the “Institute of Noetic Sciences”), and a crackpot journalist (Lynne McTaggart). It also includes some new animations featuring a cartoon character (Captain Quantum or some such). The first of these starts off with a not-bad depiction of the two-slit experiment before getting silly. The second is tacked on near the end and brings in a new exciting idea that wasn’t in the first film: Extra Dimensions! Captain Quantum liberates some poor fellow cartoon character who is trapped in 2d due to her fearfulness, bringing her to enlightenment by showing her that there is a third dimension. There’s mercifully little about string theory, mostly John Hagelin going on about how the superstring field is the field of consciousness."

http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?m=200602&paged=2

The "Institute of Noetic Sciences" is on the Quackwatch list of questionable organizations.

http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/nonrecorg.html
 
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  • #33
Someone on some blog writes he is a crackpot. It doesn't mean much. Obviously in the controversial field Radin does his work, people will respond in such a manner, especially those who hold different worldviews. But in the end, such accusations are meaningless.

Has he been exposed as a fraud, or anything like that?
 
  • #34
there is a fine line between fringe science and crackpottery- Dean Radin is one of those that rides right on the edge of that boundary to crankville- but he does manage to maintain scientific integrity-
 
  • #35
debunking emoto

So if we are agreed (sort of...) that he's not a crackpot, where does that leave the validity of this study. Does anyone know of any independent replications?
 
  • #36
Highwaister said:
So if we are agreed (sort of...) that he's not a crackpot, where does that leave the validity of this study. Does anyone know of any independent replications?
No, he's a bit of a cracked pot, there are articles everywhere saying what a crackpot he is, I'm not going to post links to all of them. You're free to believe what you want but based on what I've read of him, his beliefs and his methods, I can't see any credibility here. Not saying he's intentionally trying to be one, it's just that his methods are questionable. I mean just look at that test, it's ridiculous! It's people that let their wishes affect their work that continue to cause doubt to be shed on studies that could actually help the field of parasychology.

http://www.skepticreport.com/pseudoscience/radinbook.htm

http://skepdic.com/refuge/sheldrake.html

In a November 2005 article that critiqued the New Age movement's detachment from the mainstream scientific community, Thomas W. Clark, founder of the Center for Naturalism, criticized members of the institute. Clark wrote: "parapsychologist Dean Radin of the Institute of Noetic Sciences [willingly applies]... what humanist philosopher Paul Kurtz calls the 'transcendental temptation' [that] drives the flight from standard, peer-reviewed empiricism into the arms of a dualism that privileges the mental over the physical, the teleological over the non-purposive."[6] The skeptical organization Quackwatch includes the IONS on its list of websites it does not trust.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_of_Noetic_Sciences

I mean come on, the Noetic Institute believes in Uri Geller.
 
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  • #37
Read the links and OK, point taken re Dean Radin et al. So... back to searching for some good science wrt Emoto. Independent replications anyone?
 

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