is modifying a submitted paper considered a duplicate submission?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the ethical considerations of submitting a modified version of a paper that is currently under review to a different journal. Participants explore the implications of changes made to the paper, including the use of a different chemical element and modifications to figures and conclusions, while retaining the original Hamiltonian.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether citing the first paper in the second submission is necessary and suggests that not citing it could indicate a problem.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the ethical implications of submitting a modified paper without a citation, especially since the first paper is still under review.
  • A participant proposes that changing the Hamiltonian to a different parametrization could significantly alter the analysis, raising questions about the extent of modifications needed for ethical submission.
  • Concerns are raised about how journals perceive modified papers and whether they view them as duplicate submissions or as valuable contributions that could be published in multiple venues.
  • One participant firmly states their unwillingness to assist in circumventing ethical guidelines, emphasizing the importance of adhering to submission rules.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the ethical implications of submitting a modified paper. There are differing views on the necessity of citing the original paper and the extent to which modifications can be made without crossing ethical boundaries.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the definitions of duplicate submissions and the specific criteria that journals use to evaluate modified papers. The discussion highlights the lack of clarity around what constitutes sufficient modification to avoid ethical issues.

Who May Find This Useful

Researchers considering submitting modified versions of their work to different journals, particularly in the fields of physics and related disciplines, may find this discussion relevant.

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Hello every one, I recently submitted a paper using a specific Hamiltonian to analyze the nuclear structure of a certain element to a journal. Then I found that another journal has a special issue about my topic. I modified the original paper by using another chemical element which changed all the figures and the conclusion of the paper I changed most of equation symbols as well but the Hamiltonian still the same. Is it safe now to submit it to the other journal or that still considered as an unethical duplicate submission and it might affect the other paper as well. I still didn't get any decision regarding the first paper.
 
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Do you cite paper #1 in paper #2? If the answer is "no", that is a problem. If the answer is "yes", maybe it is and maybe it isn't.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Do you cite paper #1 in paper #2? If the answer is "no", that is a problem. If the answer is "yes", maybe it is and maybe it isn't.
i didn't cite the 1st paper because I don't know if it will be published or not in the first journal it still in the review process. So what if I changed the Hamiltonian of the second paper to another parametrization, this will change most of the analysis. my main question is how to modify the first paper or to what extend, to make it safe for a submission in another journal?
I see a lot of similar papers from the same authors (well known in my field) in different journals, do journals really take modified papers very seriously as a duplicate submission? or they could say "that's a good paper that people might highly cite, so better have a modified version of it in our journal as well "
 
patric44 said:
i didn't cite the 1st paper
You certainly can - cite the preprint, say "submitted to XXX for publication" or even "in preparation".

It's clear what answer you want. I'm not going to help you skirt the rules. Maybe someone else will, but not me.
 
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