Is My Photoelectric Effect Calculation Correct?

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The discussion revolves around the photoelectric effect, specifically examining the calculation of the work function based on the emission of electrons from a photosurface when illuminated by light of a given wavelength. The original poster presents their reasoning and calculations related to the energy of photons and the kinetic energy of emitted electrons.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the work function using the power of the light bulb and the kinetic energy of emitted electrons, questioning the validity of their reasoning. Other participants clarify the relationship between photon energy and the work function, emphasizing that the intensity of light affects the number of emitted electrons but not the energy required to free them.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing clarifications about the principles of the photoelectric effect and the role of photon energy versus light intensity. There is an exploration of the implications of light intensity on the number of emitted electrons, with some participants suggesting that the number of electrons is proportional to the intensity of light, while also noting other influencing factors.

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Participants are considering the assumptions made regarding the energy conversion efficiency of the light bulb and the conditions under which the photoelectric effect occurs. There is a mention of the temperature of the tungsten wire in the bulb as a factor that could affect the intensity of light emitted.

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Homework Statement


Light of wavelength 5.4 * 10^-7 m falls on a photosurface and causes the emission of electrons of maximum kinetic energy 2.1 eV at a rate of 10^15 per second. The light is emitted by a 60 W light bulb.



Homework Equations


Find the work function of the surface.


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Ok I actually have an answer. I'm not sure if it's right though. I just want you guys to check if my reasoning and answer makes sense.
So first I thught since P= W/t, 60W = 60 J /s
That means more than one photon is hitting the surface. Then, E = W + Ek
60 J - ((2.1eV)(1.60*10^-19)(10^15 electrons)) = W
59.999664 J,
Then I thought that the work function means the amount of energy required to remove just one electron so, I divided 59.999664 J by (1 * 10^15 electrons) and got 5.9999664 * 10^-14 J.
Does this make sense?
 
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No, the photoelectric effect is an interaction between an electron and a photon. The electron gets the energy of the photon, hf, and if it is greater then the work function W it can leave the metal. The difference of the photon energy and work function is the kinetic energy of the electron. KE=hf-W. Electrons at quite on the surface leave with this maximum kinetic energy, those a bit under the surface can loose some of their energy, that is why the "maximum kinetic energy" is mentioned. If electrons are emitted or not from a given material depends only on the energy of the photon, not the intensity of light. ehild
 
So the power of the light bulb doesn't matter? So then would it just be:

(6.63 * 10^-34 J*s) ( (3*10^8)/(5.4 *10^-7m)) - (2.1 eV)(1.60 * 10^-19) = W
W = 3.68 * 10^-19 J
 
The power of the light bulb does not matter. Think: The light bulb emits different light with different wavelengths, red, yellow, blue, even infrared (heat) only a little part of its radiation is around the desired wavelength. But even in the case of monochromatic light source, the intensity of light which is proportional to the number of photons hitting the metal, will only increase the number of photons emitted in unit time.

ehild
 
ehild said:
The power of the light bulb does not matter. Think: The light bulb emits different light with different wavelengths, red, yellow, blue, even infrared (heat) only a little part of its radiation is around the desired wavelength. But even in the case of monochromatic light source, the intensity of light which is proportional to the number of photons hitting the metal, will only increase the number of photons emitted in unit time.

ehild

Thanks. Just an additional questional that I have. Is it safe to say that the intensity(power) of the light source is directly proportional to the number of number of electrons emitted? So say, if the intensity of the light source was 120 W instead of 60 W, then the number of electrons released would double as well?
 
Hello kraphysics.

It appears to me that your solution assumes that ALL of the energy converted by the light bulb goes into freeing electrons from the surface. -- that's highly unlikely.

The energy of each photon needs to be greater than the work function to free an electron. Any excess energy goes to the electron's Kinetic Energy.

The energy of a photon is proportional to it's frequency: Ep = h·f , where h is Planck's constant.
 
kraphysics said:
Thanks. Just an additional questional that I have. Is it safe to say that the intensity(power) of the light source is directly proportional to the number of number of electrons emitted? So say, if the intensity of the light source was 120 W instead of 60 W, then the number of electrons released would double as well?
If you have a monochromatic light source you can say that the number of electrons emitted is about proportional to the intensity of light. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoelectric_effect. But the intensity of the light of appropriate wavelength is not directly proportional to the power of the light bulb, it depends on other factors, for example, the temperature of the tungsten wire in the bulb.

ehild
 
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Thanks a lot ehild. Yea for my problem, we don't have to worry about temperature. I just wanted to know if the number of photoelectrons emitted is directly proportional to number of photons(intensity of light). It seems like that's true.
 

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