Is Our Universe Just a Preon in a Larger Cosmic Structure?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of whether our universe could be considered a preon within a larger cosmic structure. Participants explore theories from both astrophysics and particle physics, particularly focusing on the implications of preons as fundamental components of matter and their potential relationship to the universe as a whole.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the universe might be part of a larger structure, with preons serving as fundamental constituents of matter.
  • One participant suggests that if the universe is closed, it implies a self-contained nature, linking the smallest scales (preons) to the largest (the universe itself).
  • Another participant questions whether the universe would be contained regardless of its closed or open status.
  • There is a claim that the universe must be self-contained by definition, which could align with the Mach principle, suggesting a coherent link between the smallest and largest scales.
  • A later reply discusses the behavior of photons, describing them as both the smallest and largest entities on a relative scale due to their properties of length contraction and time dilation.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of the universe's containment and the implications of preons, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without consensus.

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Participants have not fully resolved the implications of their claims regarding the definitions of the universe and preons, nor have they clarified the mathematical or theoretical frameworks that support their arguments.

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I don't actually know if i should have started this thread in Astrophysics forum or Particle Physics forum.
Anyway here the issue , some theories of our universe say that it may actually be a part of one bigger universe(sub-universe , ...).
One theory of particle physics says that matter maybe consisted of Preons , the actual fundamental material of our world and the subcomponents of quarks and leptons.
Regardless of how strong or weak these 2 points stated above maybe.
what kind of restriction or possibilities i can talk about that our universe maybe a Preon in the bigger universe , and that the Preons in our universe are actually universes of their own ?
 
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Or the preon is our universe causing a connection between the largest object of the universe and the smallest.

If this is coupled with a closed universe then we are contained.

Duane
 
But wouldn't be contained anyway ?
a closed or not ..
 
By definition, the universe is everything (including the sub-, sub-sub- and sub-sub-sub-universes), i.e., it MUST be self-contained. Therefore, the above mentioned Preon particle (representing the smallest possible scale) has to be linked to the entire universe on its largest scale (not going to another universe). This would make the universe self-contained and would automatically implement the Mach principle. There are some indications that such a scheme might actually work pretty well.
 
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the above mentioned Preon particle (representing the smallest possible scale) has to be linked to the entire universe on its largest scale (not going to another universe).


A photon is length contracted almost to zero length, and at the same time it is time dilated almost to a stand still, a single particle that is at the same time both smallest and largest on our relative scale.
 

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