Is R with the cofinite topology path connected?

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The discussion revolves around the path connectivity of the real numbers R equipped with the cofinite topology. Participants explore the implications of continuity in this context, examining various proofs and counterexamples related to the properties of continuous functions and path-connectedness.

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  • One participant asserts that R with the cofinite topology is path connected by constructing a continuous path between any two points a and b.
  • Another participant questions the reasoning behind the continuity of the function at the endpoints, suggesting that the image of the map has open sets in the cofinite topology that should be considered.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes the definition of continuity, arguing that since no subset of [a,b] is open in the cofinite topology, all functions into [a,b] are continuous.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of continuity definitions when dealing with functions onto subsets of the second space, illustrated with counterexamples that challenge the initial claims.
  • Participants discuss the identity function's continuity and the composition of functions as a means to establish path connectivity.

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Participants express differing views on the validity of the proofs regarding path connectivity in the cofinite topology. There is no consensus on the correctness of the arguments presented, and multiple competing interpretations of continuity and path connectivity remain unresolved.

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Limitations include potential misunderstandings of continuity definitions and the implications of mapping functions onto subsets of topological spaces. The discussion highlights the complexity of continuity in different topological contexts without resolving these issues.

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u is the usual topology, cf is the cofinite topology.

yes

proof:
pick a and b in (R,cf)

((0,1),u) ~ ((a,b),u). then the identity on (a,b) is continuous is because (R,cf) [itex]\subset[/itex] (R,u). map 0->a and 1->b. the fn is continuous at the end points because no subset of the image is open in (R,cf). therefore their exists a path between any a and b in (R,cf).

is this a valid proof?
 
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the fn is continuous at the end points because no subset of the image is open in (R,cf)

I didn't quite get that bit - the image of the map is [a,b] with cofinite topology, which has many open sets - whether or not they're open in the ambient space doesn't affect the continuity of the map in question?

A clearer approach could be as follows. The identity [tex]\iota:(R,u)\rightarrow(R,cf)[/tex] is continuous. Any path from a to b in the usual topology is given by a continuous function [tex]f:I\rightarrow[a,b][/tex]. Thus the composition [tex]\iota\circ f:(I,u)\rightarrow([a,b],cf)[/tex] is continuous.
 
olliemath said:
I didn't quite get that bit - the image of the map is [a,b] with cofinite topology, which has many open sets - whether or not they're open in the ambient space doesn't affect the continuity of the map in question?
whats the definition of continuous fn? my book has: a fn is continuous from (X,a) ->(Y,b) iff every b open image has an a open preimage in X. hence since no subset of [a,b] is cf open all functions are into [a,b] are continuous.

i actually think that i was being redundant. i think any function s.t. f(0)=a and f(1)=b is a path in (R,cf) .

olliemath said:
A clearer approach could be as follows. The identity [tex]\iota:(R,u)\rightarrow(R,cf)[/tex] is continuous. Any path from a to b in the usual topology is given by a continuous function [tex]f:I\rightarrow[a,b][/tex]. Thus the composition [tex]\iota\circ f:(I,u)\rightarrow([a,b],cf)[/tex] is continuous.

yea yours is good too.
 
ice109 said:
my book has: a fn is continuous from (X,a) ->(Y,b) iff every b open image has an a open preimage in X. hence since no subset of [a,b] is cf open all functions are into [a,b] are continuous.

You have to be careful when dealing with functions onto a subset of the second space.
For instance, take the set [tex]X=R-\{0\}[/tex] with the topology [tex]\tau=\{\emptyset,R^+,R^-,X\}[/tex]. Then using your definition the interval [tex][a,b]\subseteq(X,\tau)[/tex] has no open sets, so any function [tex]f:(I,u)\rightarrow[a,b][/tex] is continuous. Hence [tex](X,\tau)[/tex] is path connected, which implies it is connected. But the disjoint open sets [tex]R^+,R^-[/tex] cover X, a contradiction.

The problem here is that a function [tex]f:(X,\tau)\rightarrow(Y,\mu)[/tex] is continuous if every open set in [tex]f(X)[/tex] with topology inherited from Y has open preimage.

As another example, let's work with the usual topology on R. Consider the function function [tex]f:R\rightarrow R[/tex] which maps x to the first digit of its decimal expansion (e.g. 1.2->2, 0.5->5 etc. ) Then in fact this is a mapping [tex]f:R\rightarrow N[/tex]. But the natural numbers contain no open sets of R, so your definition seems to suggest f is continuous. Of course it's not, at each integer there is a discontinuity (draw the graph). Can you prove f is not continuous using the definition I just gave?
 
yea you're right thanks for clearing that up for me. good counter examples btw.
 

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