Discussion Overview
The discussion revolves around the claims made in "New Lies For Old" by ex-Soviet spy Anatoliy Golitsyn, particularly regarding the perceived threats posed by Russia and China. Participants explore the implications of Golitsyn's assertions about world domination and the political dynamics between these nations, as well as the trustworthiness of Russia under Vladimir Putin's leadership.
Discussion Character
- Debate/contested
- Conceptual clarification
- Exploratory
Main Points Raised
- Some participants reference Golitsyn's assertion that Russian and Chinese leaders are committed to world domination, suggesting they disguise their intentions as democratic.
- Others argue that fears of Chinese dominance are unfounded, citing Deng Xiao Ping's statements about avoiding dominance and referencing structural issues in China as outlined in "The Coming Collapse of China" by Gordon Ching.
- Concerns are raised about Putin's actions post-Beslan tragedy, including limiting democracy and state control over major industries like Yukos.
- Participants note the mysterious poisoning of Yushenko and Putin's strong reactions to perceived US interference in Ukrainian elections as indicators of distrust in Russia.
- Some mention the joint military exercises between Russia and China as a significant development that could indicate a growing alliance.
- Golitsyn's prediction accuracy is highlighted, with one participant noting a 94% accuracy rate, which raises questions about the validity of his claims despite their controversial nature.
- One participant suggests that aspects of Putin's governance may align with fascistic principles, particularly regarding control of production and the leadership's priorities over the populace.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants express a range of views, with no clear consensus on the trustworthiness of Russia or the validity of Golitsyn's claims. Some support Golitsyn's perspective while others challenge it, particularly regarding the capabilities and intentions of China.
Contextual Notes
Participants reference various sources and opinions, indicating a reliance on differing interpretations of political events and historical context. The discussion reflects a complex interplay of geopolitical analysis and personal beliefs, with no resolution on the overarching claims made by Golitsyn.