Is Science Limited in Explaining the Universe's Origins?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the universe's creation and the existence of a supreme being. Participants express skepticism about scientific explanations that rely on statistical models, arguing that unanswered questions remain abundant. The idea that a supreme being initiated the universe is debated, with questions raised about the origin of such a being. The conversation touches on the complexity of existence and the human tendency to seek answers to profound questions about the universe's beginnings. Humor and sarcasm are prevalent, particularly in references to hell and the absurdity of certain beliefs. The dialogue also includes playful banter about societal issues, religious education, and the nature of belief, with some participants sharing personal anecdotes and critiques of religious interpretations. Overall, the thread reflects a mix of philosophical inquiry, humor, and skepticism towards both scientific and religious narratives.
  • #51
SOS2008 said:
:smile:
:smile:
Yes. In Michigan, that's when "hell freezes over" and southern Mississippi is the "gnawing and gnashing" hell. Nevada is the more traditional "fire and brimstone" hell. There's another hell, the one where bats fly out of...can't remember...

Thanks for clarifying. I wouldn't want to go to the wrong one!
 
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  • #52
Moonbear said:
Thanks for clarifying. I wouldn't want to go to the wrong one!
Aren't they all interconnected? I'm pretty sure the New York subway system runs through a couple of them.
 
  • #53
I can take some side trips


Side trips from Hell..sounds like the making of a B movie..lol
 
  • #54
hypatia said:
Side trips from Hell..sounds like the making of a B movie..lol
...or a new thread. :rolleyes:
 
  • #55
hypatia said:
Side trips from Hell..sounds like the making of a B movie..lol
Very formula. The women is running, trips and hurts her ankle, and the secondary characters all go to hell one by one--in Michigan, then Vegas, etc., but in the end, the main characters make it out... -- That movie?
 
  • #56
Directors Cut.

The woman is running in high heels and a evening gown. She trips and hurts her ankle, and the secondary characters{bad men} all go to hell one by one--in Michigan, but in the end, the main characters make out, :cool: in Vegas, and also win ONE MILLION DOLLARS playing the BLAZEN SLOTS. Which of course condems there souls to purgatory
 
  • #57
Kirk Gregory Czuhai said:
well seems for at least the time being we have some going to HELL!
peace and love,
and,
love and peace,
(kirk) kirk gregory czuhai

wow. um... you sound like some kinda suicidal religous zelot, like those wako guys that janet reno toarched. perhaps congress will pass a law about you.

Have a nice day?
Fibonacci :rolleyes:
 
  • #58
hypatia said:
Directors Cut.

The woman is running in high heels and a evening gown. She trips and hurts her ankle, and the secondary characters{bad men} all go to hell one by one--in Michigan, but in the end, the main characters make out, :cool: in Vegas, and also win ONE MILLION DOLLARS playing the BLAZEN SLOTS. Which of course condems there souls to purgatory

Which state is Purgatory in?
 
  • #59
Moonbear said:
Which state is Purgatory in?
Colorado. Kind of ironic name for a ski resort. :confused:
 
  • #60
Danger said:
Colorado. Kind of ironic name for a ski resort. :confused:
You beat me to it, but how could you miss the "Blazen Slots" after the play on words changing "make it out" to "make out"? So not like you... :-p
 
  • #61
I think the pressure is getting to him...
 
  • #62
SOS2008 said:
You beat me to it, but how could you miss the "Blazen Slots" after the play on words changing "make it out" to "make out"? So not like you... :-p
I gave it some serious(?) thought for a while, but the set-up was so complex that I decided to pass it by and let some kind creature such as yourself feed me something easier to work with. :biggrin:
Also, I am watching the NA debut of the new 'Dr. Who' series right now, so I'm a little distracted. :redface:
 
  • #63
hypatia said:
I think the pressure is getting to him...
Of course, trying to work through your spelling didn't make it any easier. :biggrin:



And you're the one who told me where to find the 'spell check'? :-p
 
  • #64
ahhhghtt everyones a critic! I call it artistic liberty :blushing:
 
  • #65
hypatia said:
:blushing:
You're even cuter when you blush.
 
  • #66
SOS2008 said:
You beat me to it, but how could you miss the "Blazen Slots" after the play on words changing "make it out" to "make out"? So not like you... :-p

It never crossed my mind that it was supposed to be a play on words. "Make it out" also never crossed my mind. I thought having the characters "make out" was the only possible plot line to go with. :smile:
 
  • #67
Moonbear said:
It never crossed my mind that it was supposed to be a play on words. "Make it out" also never crossed my mind. I thought having the characters "make out" was the only possible plot line to go with. :smile:
It's the 'blazen' that really threw me off. I couldn't figure out whether she meant 'blazin' or 'brazen'. It would make a subtle but distinct difference in the direction of the reply. :biggrin:
 
  • #68
Moonbear said:
It never crossed my mind that it was supposed to be a play on words. "Make it out" also never crossed my mind. I thought having the characters "make out" was the only possible plot line to go with. :smile:
That's right, straight to the sex you go little missy. :smile:
Danger said:
It's the 'blazen' that really threw me off. I couldn't figure out whether she meant 'blazin' or 'brazen'. It would make a subtle but distinct difference in the direction of the reply. :biggrin:
And another directors cut changing it to Brazen Sluts...no, I couldn't be the most demented, no... :devil:
 
  • #69
SOS2008 said:
And another directors cut changing it to Brazen Sluts...
Action! :biggrin:
 
  • #70
did you hear me?
SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HELL!
PROOF:---> http://www.altelco.net/~churches/ProofOfGod.htm
love and peace,
and,
peace and love,
(kirk) kirk gregory czuhai
http://www.altelco.net/~lovekgc/how2getsome.htm
 
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  • #71
Kirk Gregory Czuhai said:
did you hear me?
SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HELL!
Not me, I have my scapular. :biggrin:
 
  • #72
Evo said:
Not me, I have my scapular. :biggrin:
Good edit. Thanks. :wink:
 
  • #73
Kirk Gregory Czuhai said:
did you hear me?
SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HELL!
PROOF:---> http://www.altelco.net/~churches/ProofOfGod.htm
I didn't see the word "hell" mentioned anywhere in that article.

I did see some pretty sketchy interpretations of Albert Einstein's "beliefs":
As Einstein pointed out, the significance is that the universe has this moment of pin pulling. It has a beginning. Through the principle of positive fact, if the universe has a beginning, it must have a beginner, hence the existence of God.

To his dying day, Einstein held to his belief that as the result of the verification of his theory of General Relativity, God exists. God created the universe and God is intelligent. Now, we don't deny that God is personal. Einstein died too soon.
 
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  • #74
Math Is Hard said:
I did see some pretty sketchy interpretations of Albert Einstein's "beliefs":
Amazing how these people will mis-quote or quote out of context from absolutely any source in order to prove an unprovable point. I suppose they didn't notice that this was also before the acceptance of QM.
 
  • #75
Math Is Hard said:
I did see some pretty sketchy interpretations of Albert Einstein's "beliefs":
It is well known that Einstein referred to himself as agnostic.

“It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.”

Albert Einstein, in a letter March 24, 1954; from Albert Einstein the Human Side, Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, eds., Princeton, New Jersey: Princeton University Press, 1981, p. 43.

“My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment.”

Albert Einstein in a letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215; from Alice Calaprice, ed., The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton, New Jersey: Princeton University Press, 2000, p. 216.

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/quotes_einstein.html
 
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  • #76
I did get a kick out of KGC's 2nd "How to Get Some" link:
Kirk Gregory Czuhai said:
http://www.altelco.net/~lovekgc/how2getsome.htm

excerpt:
You'll find that the "higher class" women frequent the "motor inn" and hotel bars. About all you have to do is drop by and join in all the action when there's a convention or ing of people from out of town in one of these places. It's then that you'll find many of the "local eligibles" out on the town, plus
of course a lot of women from out of town who are looking for men. In this kind of situation, most of the women are easy to pick up on, and most of them are in no big hurry to make any real commitments.

Gahh! Reminds me why I always avoided the hotel bars when we had to go to conventions.
 
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  • #77
Math Is Hard said:
I did get a kick out of KGC's 2nd "How to Get Some" link:
Okay, I just went back and looked at that. I don't know which one weirded me out most.
 
  • #78
Danger said:
Okay, I just went back and looked at that. I don't know which one weirded me out most.
I know what did it for me:
To find the action - where there's sure to be lots of eligible women looking for men - look in your local paper... Look for advertisements announcing square dances, neighborhood picnics, travel tours, and of course, festivals or similar special events.

SQUARE DANCES??! :bugeye:

<shudder>
 
  • #79
Math Is Hard said:
I know what did it for me:
To find the action - where there's sure to be lots of eligible women looking for men - look in your local paper... Look for advertisements announcing square dances, neighborhood picnics, travel tours, and of course, festivals or similar special events.

SQUARE DANCES??! :bugeye:

<shudder>

:smile: That's what I'm doing wrong, I haven't attended any square dances lately! And, neighborhood picnics? I don't even bother going to those because it's always just the married couples trying to keep track of the hoards of children they bring along; nobody actually talks about anything other than kids. :smile:
 
  • #80
Okay, I had to follow the link now. I couldn't get past the first paragraph.

but really - there are more eligible women running around loose today than there are men!

Well, duh! We could have told him that! :smile: :smile:

But now I get it...he wasn't chiding us for heading toward Hell, he was offering an invitation to join him. He just didn't know we were already there. Ha ha ha! :devil:
 
  • #81
Moonbear said:
But now I get it...he wasn't chiding us for heading toward Hell, he was offering an invitation to join him. He just didn't know we were already there. Ha ha ha! :devil:
LOL! I do believe you hit the nail on the head! :smile:
 
  • #82
Math Is Hard said:
SQUARE DANCES??! :bugeye:

<shudder>
At least you can't accuse the name of being an oxymoron. :rolleyes:
 
  • #83
Danger said:
At least you can't accuse the name of being an oxymoron. :rolleyes:

:smile: :smile: :smile:
 
  • #84
Math Is Hard said:
excerpt:
You'll find that the "higher class" women frequent the "motor inn" and hotel bars. About all you have to do is drop by and join in all the action when there's a convention or ing of people from out of town in one of these places. It's then that you'll find many of the "local eligibles" out on the town, plus
of course a lot of women from out of town who are looking for men. In this kind of situation, most of the women are easy to pick up on, and most of them are in no big hurry to make any real commitments.
Brazen Sluts!

"but really - there are more eligible women running around loose today than there are men!" +
Moonbear said:
...But now I get it...he wasn't chiding us for heading toward Hell, he was offering an invitation to join him...
= an undesirable, desperate man? :confused:
 
  • #85
SOS2008 said:
= an undesirable, desperate man? :confused:

What, it doesn't turn you on when a guy tells you you're going to hell? :bugeye: :smile:
 
  • #86
SOS2008 said:
= an undesirable, desperate man? :confused:
Hang on just a second... I resemble that remark. :frown:
 
  • #87
Danger said:
Hang on just a second... I resemble that remark. :frown:

Only if you've been going to square dances and telling women they're going to hell. :smile:
 
  • #88
Moonbear said:
Only if you've been going to square dances and telling women they're going to hell. :smile:
Perish forbid! I restrict my dancing to civilized music... from Mitch Rider up to suchlike as Smashmouth and Violent Femmes. That 19-year-old and I won a dance contest to 'Shout' by the Blues Brothers, but I don't think I could handle that with the lung problems. There might be waltzes in my future. :frown:
 
  • #89
oh YOU PEOPLE! LOL!
if it only WERE a laughing matter!
some people are going to hell!
peace and love,
and,
love and peace,
kirk
http://www.altelco.net/~lovekgc/kl.htm
 
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  • #90
It seems many religions believe they will be saved and everyone else will go to hell (e.g., born-again Christians believe the only way to be saved is through Jesus) meaning all other good people of other faiths, or even of no particular organized religion are going to hell. I'm sure many people are well-intentioned (i.e., trying to save the sinners), but even according to these religions it is taught that only God can be the judge.
 
  • #91
Speaking of hell, I was reminded of this clever essay:

http://www.greystaples.com/jokes/

Is Hell Exothermic?
Date: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 11:21 AM

The following is an actual question given on a University of Washington chemistry mid term. The answer was so "profound" that the professor shared it with colleagues, which is why we now have the pleasure of enjoying it as well.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)?
Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law, (gas cools off when it expands and heats up when it is compressed) or some variant.

One student, however, wrote the following:
First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate that souls are moving into Hell and the rate they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving.

As for how many souls are entering Hell, let's look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Some of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there are more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially.

Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand as souls are added. This gives two possibilities:

1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose.

2. Of course, if Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over. So which is it?

If we accept the postulate given to me by Ms. Teresa Banyan during my Freshman year, "...that it will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you," and take into account the fact that I still have not succeeded in having sexual relations with her, then, #2 cannot be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and will not freeze.

The student received the only "A" given.
 
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  • #92
hypatia said:
http://www.hell2u.com/about.php

Ive been to Hell , its near Jackson Michigan.

Good old hell.. I remember with fondness and longing... went fishing there. bet you didn't know hell had a river :wink:

incidentally, if there is a hell, I haven't a doubt in my mind that Kirk or someone like him will be there- if only to greet me with with "hah! I told you so!" and drone on endlessly about heaven and hell
 
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  • #93
if i can be of any further assistance to any of you may write me at:
lovekgc@altelco.net
love and peace,
and,
peace and love,
(kirk) kirk gregory czuhai
http://www.altelco.net/~lovekgc/algebra.htm
http://www.altelco.net/~lovekgc/SupportStarvingArtist.htm
 
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  • #94
SOS2008 said:
It seems many religions believe they will be saved and everyone else will go to hell
Although my dad was ordained Presbyterian (in 1923, fresh with his Masters in Religious Studies from McGill), he evolved as rapidly as circumstances allowed. He became United as soon as it was formed, and Unitarian when one was available. He did some other stuff, back and forth through the years, United again and an informal congregationalist community thing. As soon as a Universalist church needed somebody, he was in. (He always was Univeralist, but had never used the name. He was an agnostic because of his studies.) Anyhow, Universalist comes from the belief in universal salvation; ie. there might or might not be a heaven, but there sure as hell ain't no hell (oxymoron deliberate, for those keeping score).

Math Is Hard said:
Speaking of hell, I was reminded of this clever essay:

http://www.greystaples.com/jokes/
The student received the only "A" given.
I actually read that before, but it was nice to be reminded. Never mind the 'A'; the guy should have been graduated with honours on the spot.

Zantra said:
Good old hell.. I remember with fondness and longing... went fishing there. bet you didn't know hell had a river :wink:
A river at a ski resort? What will they think of next? :rolleyes:

Kirk Gregory Czuhai said:
if i can be of any further assistance to any of you may write me at:
lovekgc@altelco.net
Doesn't 'further assisistance' imply that there's already been some? Apparently you're not paying attention. And e-mailing you would be a grievous waste of electrons.
 
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  • #95
there is never a waste of electrons!
http://www.altelco.net/~lovekgc/KingFranklin.htm
http://www.altelco.net/~lovekgc/2go.htm
http://www.altelco.net/~lovekgc/go2.htm
!
some people ARE going to HELL!
love and peace,
and,
peace and love,
kirk
http://www.hell.com
 
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  • #96
Kirk Gregory Czuhai said:
there is never a waste of electrons!
http://www.altelco.net/~lovekgc/KingFranklin.htm
http://www.altelco.net/~lovekgc/2go.htm
http://www.altelco.net/~lovekgc/go2.htm
!
some people ARE going to HELL!
love and peace,
and,
peace and love,
kirk
http://www.hell.com

Are you going to contribute anything positive here, or are you going to continue to spam us with lists of your own personal websites.
 
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  • #97
Moonbear said:
Are you going to contribute anything positive here, or are you going to continue to spam us with lists of your own personal websites.

Nah he isn't.. and i bet he'll go to hell for that :smile: :smile:
 
  • #98
oh GO TO HELL!
just kiddin!
l love everybody!
you do know why do you not?
love and peace,
and,
peace and love,
kirk
 
  • #99
Kirk Gregory Czuhai said:
oh GO TO HELL!
just kiddin!
l love everybody!
you do know why do you not?
love and peace,
and,
peace and love,
kirk

Too late. Look whos going hell now :smile: :smile: :smile:
 
  • #100
Kirk Gregory Czuhai said:
oh GO TO HELL!
just kiddin!
l love everybody!
you do know why do you not?
love and peace,
and,
peace and love,
kirk

persistent little bugger aint he
 

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