Is simultaneous time a real concept?

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The discussion centers around the concept of simultaneous time, exploring whether it is a valid idea within the context of time's nature and perception. Participants reference various theoretical perspectives and literature, including works by Paul Davies and Julian Barbour, while expressing differing views on the implications of time's flow and existence.

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  • One participant introduces the concept of simultaneous time, suggesting that it posits the past, present, and future occur simultaneously, referencing Paul Davies' "About Time" and Julian Barbour's "The End of Time."
  • Another participant counters that Barbour's work discusses the absence of time rather than simultaneous time, arguing that time and movement do not exist and that observations are merely instances of the universe's state space.
  • A different participant argues that criticizing the concept of simultaneous time is no more valid than criticizing other abstract constructs related to time, such as the square root of time or inverted time.
  • One participant humorously suggests that the perception of time flowing forward is tied to physical existence and biological processes, implying that without this flow, concepts like aging and procreation would not hold meaning.

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Participants express differing views on the validity and implications of simultaneous time, with no consensus reached on its acceptance or relevance. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nature of time as proposed by different theorists.

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Some claims depend on interpretations of theoretical physics and philosophical perspectives on time, which may not be universally accepted or clearly defined.

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http://www.eliasforum.org/digests/time_simultaneous.html

Has anyone ever heard of simultaneous time? The above website was one of the few I could find on the exact subject and the above website does not appear to be very credible though it does convey the idea that I am trying to get across of a theory that claims that the past, present and future all happen at once. I first read about simultaneous time in a book by astrophysicist Paul Davies called "About Time". I think I also read about it in a book called "The End of Time" by physicist Julian Barbour.
I know the idea of simultaneous time is highly speculative so at this point I am not interested in criticism of the idea. Thanks
RAD
 
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Barbour does not talk about simultaneous time but about the absence of time.
He holds the position that time and thus movement does not exist. Observations are simply instances of the state space of the entire universe. He uses the time independent Schrödinger and the Wheeler-Dewitt equations as a starting point for his arguments.

I find his book "The End of Time" intellectually stimulating. :smile:
 
RAD4921 said:
http://www.eliasforum.org/digests/time_simultaneous.html

Has anyone ever heard of simultaneous time? The above website was one of the few I could find on the exact subject and the above website does not appear to be very credible though it does convey the idea that I am trying to get across of a theory that claims that the past, present and future all happen at once. I first read about simultaneous time in a book by astrophysicist Paul Davies called "About Time". I think I also read about it in a book called "The End of Time" by physicist Julian Barbour.
I know the idea of simultaneous time is highly speculative so at this point I am not interested in criticism of the idea. Thanks
RAD

There is no more reason to criticize the idea of simultaneous time than to criticize the the idea of the square root of time or the idea of inverted time or the idea of of white, black or green time. These are all imaginary constructs of the mind generated by placing a word(s) before the word time.
 
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I actually thought that that was generally accepted now...the only reason time flows forward in our conscious awareness is because you have a body and it is governed by time flowing forward...if it didn't there could be no procreation or birthdays..l.o.l...or growing older and dieing to make way for the next generation...let's face it..who wants to be a sperm?...l.o.l.
 

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