Is space made up of individual units?

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The discussion explores the nature of space, questioning whether it is composed of individual units akin to pixels on a computer screen, and examines the implications of an expanding universe. Participants raise inquiries about the calculation of new units of space and the structure of space-time.

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  • Some participants propose that space could be thought of as made up of individual units, similar to pixels, while others argue against this analogy, suggesting that it oversimplifies the concept.
  • There is mention of superstring theories implying a minimum distance, but participants caution against visualizing this as a pixel-like structure.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the concept of curving space and questions how it relates to a grid structure, suggesting that curving space does not fundamentally change the grid-like nature of space.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of a grid structure for space-time, with some arguing that it cannot accurately represent all geometries without leading to singularities.
  • Questions are posed regarding the properties of space, including whether it behaves like a fluid and what substance it might resemble.
  • There is speculation about whether the creation of new space consumes energy, with differing views on the relationship between expanding space and energy loss in photons.
  • Some participants reflect on their past understanding of space and time as quantized, referencing Planck's constant, while acknowledging that quantization may not occur in a regular manner.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the nature of space and whether it can be quantized. There is no consensus on the structure of space or the implications of an expanding universe, with multiple competing perspectives remaining unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in current understanding, including the lack of a comprehensive theory of quantum gravity and the challenges in defining the fundamental nature of space-time.

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Greetings,

Is space made up of individual units like pixels on a computer screen?

And the amount of space in the universe is increasing?

If so, I'm curious how to calculate how often a new pixel comes into existence between any two existing pixels? Or if a new pixel comes into existence every certain number of pixels across, how often does that happen?

Thank
 
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In superstring theories, in fact, there is a minimum distance.
But it is incorrect to imagine it as pixels on a screen.
 
CosmicVoyager said:
Greetings,

Is space made up of individual units like pixels on a computer screen?

And the amount of space in the universe is increasing?

If so, I'm curious how to calculate how often a new pixel comes into existence between any two existing pixels? Or if a new pixel comes into existence every certain number of pixels across, how often does that happen?

Thank
If space-time is divided in some manner, it won't be divided in any sort of ordered fashion (if it were ordered, that would set a preferred rest frame, which would mean that relativity couldn't work). So the space-time points available for matter to occupy would have to be randomly distributed. And with a random distribution, there is no problem with new positions popping into or out of existence.
 
Chalnoth said:
If space-time is divided in some manner, it won't be divided in any sort of ordered fashion (if it were ordered, that would set a preferred rest frame, which would mean that relativity couldn't work). So the space-time points available for matter to occupy would have to be randomly distributed. And with a random distribution, there is no problem with new positions popping into or out of existence.

I have been thinking space was like a grid, and did not understand how saying space curves explained anything since no matter how you twist the grid everything still follows the grid lines. Curving space would not affect anything any more than a bending a flexible computer display would.

- So what is the structure of space? Are the units moving around like molecules in a liquid? What are the properties of space? What substance is it like?

- Does the creation of new space consume something else? Photons moving through expanding space lose energy, right? Is that energy being converted into space?
 
CosmicVoyager said:
I have been thinking space was like a grid, and did not understand how saying space curves explained anything since no matter how you twist the grid everything still follows the grid lines. Curving space would not affect anything any more than a bending a flexible computer display would.
This is insufficient. Basically, there are many geometries that cannot be represented by a grid without tearing or singularities. A simple example is a sphere: it is not possible to wrap a flat surface so that it covers an entire sphere without tearing or singularities. This is a pretty general rule. It is possible to write down grids that somewhat accurately describe space-time over a limited area, but for most geometries it isn't possible to write down a single grid that describes the entire space-time. This does indicate that the fundamental nature of space-time, whatever it is, cannot be a grid.

CosmicVoyager said:
- So what is the structure of space? Are the units moving around like molecules in a liquid? What are the properties of space? What substance is it like?
Well, we don't know. This would require a theory of quantum gravity, which we don't have yet.

CosmicVoyager said:
- Does the creation of new space consume something else? Photons moving through expanding space lose energy, right? Is that energy being converted into space?
Highly unlikely. It is more likely that the space-time points simply arise as a result of the amount of mass-energy nearby, similar to how photons simply appear out of the vacuum as a result of nearby electric charge.
 
curved space is possible with a grid
the layout of the grid can't change but the 'distance' between any 2 neighboring elements can change.
 
For some reason I came away from my Physics class 30 years ago thinking that space and time were quantized. Something about the smallest possible distance being Plancks constant h. I hadnt questioned that until now.
 
Tanelorn said:
For some reason I came away from my Physics class 30 years ago thinking that space and time were quantized. Something about the smallest possible distance being Plancks constant h. I hadnt questioned that until now.
Yes, well, that is a general expectation of quantum gravity. It isn't, however, possible for space-time to be quantized in a regular way.
 

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