Is Space-Time Really a Woven Fabric?

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The discussion revolves around the theoretical nature of spacetime, particularly the idea of it being interwoven like a fabric. Participants explore concepts of time travel, the implications of manipulating spacetime, and the relationship between space and time, questioning whether they travel at the same rate and how conservation laws apply in these scenarios.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that spacetime can be visualized as a woven fabric, questioning if it is theoretically possible to travel through one of these fabrics with advanced technology.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on what is meant by "travel through one of the woven fabrics," noting that while we move through space and time, the concept of traveling through them in a specific manner is unclear.
  • A later reply indicates that time travel, particularly in the Sci-Fi sense, remains a mystery and would likely not conform to popular depictions in movies, raising concerns about conservation of mass.
  • Some participants express skepticism about instantaneous time travel being possible and discuss the implications of conservation of mass in the context of time travel.
  • One participant challenges the analogy of spacetime as a fabric, arguing that it suggests an independence of space and time that may not accurately reflect their interrelationship, proposing a different analogy involving a piece of paper with drawn lines representing space and time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express uncertainty regarding the feasibility of time travel and the implications of manipulating spacetime. There is no consensus on the validity of the fabric analogy or the nature of space and time's interrelationship.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the lack of observed violations of conservation laws in discussions about time travel, indicating a need for further exploration of these concepts without resolving the underlying assumptions or definitions.

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Hello. This is my first post on the forum. Without a long introduction I'm just an average guy with a huge amount of curiosity but know nothing. I have a couple questions (very theoretical I'll warn you)

Space and time is interweaved, like a fabric (thus spacetime). You move through it, gravity affects it (or rather gravity is the affect of mass bending spacetime). Could it be possible that, in theory, you can travel through one of the woven fabrics given the technology and better understanding (picture a knitted blanket 2 different colors, space is blue, time is purple)?

The other question is, if spacetime is interweaved, and our universe is constantly moving, does space and time travel at the same rate? Unless that whole thing of our universe moving is only physical energy and matter and not actual spacetime as a whole.

I might've gotten things mixed up, if so please clarify.
 
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Darkroman said:
Could it be possible that, in theory, you can travel through one of the woven fabrics given the technology and better understanding (picture a knitted blanket 2 different colors, space is blue, time is purple)?

What do you mean by "travel through one of the woven fabrics?"

We have a lot of freedom to travel through space, and we're not stuck in one instance of time (we seem to travel forward through it) so in some respect, we are traveling through spacetime itself.

I'm not sure what you're considering "one of the woven fabrics" though.
The other question is, if spacetime is interweaved, and our universe is constantly moving, does space and time travel at the same rate? Unless that whole thing of our universe moving is only physical energy and matter and not actual spacetime as a whole.

This is an interesting question. You might want to try asking it in the Cosmology subforum.
 
What I meant is to travel, in the Sci-Fi sense, of time (past or future).
 
Darkroman said:
What I meant is to travel, in the Sci-Fi sense, of time (past or future).

It's still a mystery whether that kind of time travel is possible. If it were, I don't think it would work at all like Sci-Fi movies predict it would.

For instance, if things (including people) spontaneously arrived at particular "points" in time, or if you disappeared into the future, you would be violating conservation of mass. Since we like conservation of mass a lot, you would have to account for why we've never observed a violation of conservation of mass.
 
Yeah, that's what I had gathered. I don't think instantaneous time travel is entirely possible either. Also on a different point, we've never observed a violation of the conversation of mass with all the spacetime continuum thing going on (wibbly wobbly timey wimey). My question stems from our theory of spacetime being interwoven like a knitted blanket. We could, in theory, manipulate spacetime given the technology, that's been said. My question (or hypothesis if you will) proposes that you could travel in the dimension of time. While space and time are interwoven, they are still different fabrics of the universe.

Putting conservation of mass into play, well, what would happen if you could travel in the past or future, how does conservation of mass come in with that?
 
Darkroman said:
Yeah, that's what I had gathered. I don't think instantaneous time travel is entirely possible either. Also on a different point, we've never observed a violation of the conversation of mass with all the spacetime continuum thing going on (wibbly wobbly timey wimey). My question stems from our theory of spacetime being interwoven like a knitted blanket. We could, in theory, manipulate spacetime given the technology, that's been said. My question (or hypothesis if you will) proposes that you could travel in the dimension of time. While space and time are interwoven, they are still different fabrics of the universe.

I'm still not very sure what you're saying. It sounds like you're taking the analogy too far.


Putting conservation of mass into play, well, what would happen if you could travel in the past or future, how does conservation of mass come in with that?

No clue. It has raised a separate question in my mind though that I shall now post.
 
Darkroman said:
you can travel through one of the woven fabrics given the technology and better understanding (picture a knitted blanket 2 different colors, space is blue, time is purple)?
The problem with this analogy is that it implies that there is some "real" space or time independently of the other and spacetime is just a convenient combination of two inherently separate things. A better analogy would be a piece of paper where people can draw lines representing space and time in many different and equally valid ways.
 

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