Is Starting With Assumption of Truth A Valid Proof Strategy?

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The discussion revolves around proving the inequality \(\sqrt{x+\sqrt{x}}-\sqrt{x-\sqrt{x}}>1\) for \(x>1\). Participants explore various proof strategies and the implications of starting with an assumption of truth in mathematical reasoning.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the original poster's approach of assuming the statement is true and manipulating it, raising questions about the validity of this method. Others provide examples illustrating the pitfalls of squaring both sides of an inequality and the importance of using reversible operations.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing different perspectives on the original proof attempt. Some suggest that the proof could be valid if approached differently, while others emphasize the need for caution when manipulating inequalities. There is no explicit consensus on the validity of the original approach, but several constructive critiques and alternative methods are being explored.

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Participants note the importance of understanding the implications of squaring both sides of an inequality and the potential introduction of extraneous solutions. The original poster reflects on their teacher's feedback regarding assumptions leading to false conclusions.

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The question was to prove

\sqrt{x+\sqrt{x}}-\sqrt{x-\sqrt{x}}>1, x>1

And I had two choices to go about this, I could have manipulated the expression
\sqrt{x+\sqrt{x}}-\sqrt{x-\sqrt{x}}
by multiplying numerator and denominator by its conjugate, squaring, manipulating etc. and getting an obvious result that proves it is more than 1, but instead I went about it a quicker way which before today I thought was logically sound.I started with the assumption that it was true, and would manipulate it from there.

Squaring both sides:

x+\sqrt{x}+x-\sqrt{x}-2\sqrt{x^2-x}>1

Rearranging:

2x-1>2\sqrt{x^2-x}

Squaring, 2x-1>1 since x>1:

4x^2-4x+1>4x^2-4x

1>0

Thus since this result is true, the original statement must have been true.

I ended up getting 1/4 marks for this, and my teacher's reasoning was that it's because I started with the assumption that it was true, and any false statement can lead to a true statement. We threw counter-arguments back and forth, and after asking for another example where this happens, she gave me "if the moon is made of cheese, then cows aren't purple". Honestly, I don't get this woman.

After giving my teacher's argument about false statements leading to truth statements further thought, I admit that problems would arise if

\sqrt{x+\sqrt{x}}-\sqrt{x-\sqrt{x}}<-1

since when I square both sides, it would lead to a truth statement. I should have proven that the original statement was at least more than -1, but anyway, I'd like to hear from you guys on what you think about my proof, her argument, and where I could improve as I honestly bear more weighting on your word than my teacher's.
 
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I think your argument is similar to the following, much simpler argument.

Prove that -1 >= 1

Square both sides: (-1)2 >= (1)2, or
1 >= 1

Since it is true that 1 is greater than or equal to itself, this apparently proves that -1 >= -1.

The problem occurs when I square both sides. Squaring is not a one-to-one operation, so there is the possibility of introducing solutions that aren't in the original solution set.

Another example that shows this idea more clearly is:
Let x = -2
Square both sides: x2 = (-2)2 = 4

From the first equation to the second, we have different solution sets, with {-2} for the first and {-2, 2} for the second. That means that the two equations are not equivalent.

In your problem, if you had applied only reversible operations (operations that are one-to-one), then your argument would have been valid.
 
If you had started by saying that it was obvious that \sqrt{x+\sqrt{x}}-\sqrt{x-\sqrt{x}} > 0 since x > 1, then I would say this proof would be good.

As for her remark about the moon, cheese and purple cows then that is a valid argument.
 
Your argument can be made rigorous by working it, carefully, backwards:

Start with 4x2 - 4x + 1 > 4x2 - 4x

(2x - 1)2 > 4(x2 - x)

Now observe that x > 1 so both sides are positive and we can take the positive square root of both sides preserving the inequality

2x - 1 > 2 sqrt(x2-x)

We don't need absolute values at that step because 2x -1 is positive.

2x - 2 sqrt(x2-x) > 1

As you have shown, this is the same as

<br /> \left (\sqrt{x+\sqrt{x}}-\sqrt{x-\sqrt{x}}\right)^2 &gt; 1<br />

Now, again, since the quantity in the parentheses is clearly positive we can take the positive square root of both sides, preserving the inequality:

<br /> \sqrt{x+\sqrt{x}}-\sqrt{x-\sqrt{x}} &gt; 1<br />

giving a perfectly valid argument.
 

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