Is the 3 Gorges Dam Structurally Secure Without Bedrock Anchoring?

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The discussion centers around the structural security of the Three Gorges Dam, particularly in relation to its anchoring methods and the implications of not having bedrock piles. Participants explore the dam's design, potential safety concerns, and the effects of external pressures such as flooding.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the dam is structurally tied together with rebar sections, noting that no piles were driven into bedrock and only the shear weight is anchoring the structure.
  • Others reference satellite photos suggesting the dam has bowed, while some argue that this may be due to imaging issues rather than structural problems.
  • A participant mentions that concrete does not bow significantly and expresses skepticism about the validity of the bowing claims.
  • Concerns are raised about the lack of anchoring to bedrock, especially given the dam's location on major fault lines, and whether this increases the risk of lateral movement.
  • Discussion includes the idea that gravity dams rely on their weight to hold back water, and that piles may not be necessary if the dam is built directly on bedrock.
  • Participants discuss the importance of expansion joints in long structures like the dam to accommodate temperature changes.
  • Some argue that concrete does not perform well under tension and highlight the need to control hydrostatic pressure to prevent tipping or uplift of the dam.
  • There is mention of the interior of the dam being filled with a lower-grade concrete to add weight and compressive resistance, while the exterior uses higher strength concrete.
  • Participants express concern about the challenges of inspecting and repairing the dam, emphasizing the complexity and scale of such structures.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the necessity of bedrock anchoring or the implications of the dam's design. Multiple competing views remain regarding the structural integrity and safety of the Three Gorges Dam.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the structural design specifics, such as the use of rebar connections and the implications of the dam's construction on unstable ground. The discussion highlights various assumptions about concrete behavior under stress and the effects of external pressures.

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not sure Mech Eng is proper forum for this. The 3 Gorges dam in China has very high flooding up river and more rains coming. Will the lack of piling driven to bedrock matter?
The dam is a series of massive re-bar and concrete wide base tapering to narrower top. Does anyone know if these structures are " tied" togeather via connecting rebar sections? I researched and apparently no piles were drive into bedrock so only the shear weight is anchoring the massive structures. My thinking is the whole dam is tied togeather making one huge concrete chain acros the river and should be impossibel to fail if materials are to standard. Is this correct or fuzzy thinking?
 
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Someone had posted online sat photos showing the dam has bowed:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...re Three Gorges,landslide risks in the region.

However, China said it was the photo imaging that had the problem not the dam.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Th...Gorges Dam, dam on,dam structure in the world.

More recently, a Chinese Hydrologist has questioned the Dam's safety:

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3951673

https://7news.com.au/news/disaster-...flooding-threatens-three-gorges-dam-c-1119460
 
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yes i saw the photos and looks like pixelation problem stiching photos togeather..concrete can not bow that much i think.
 
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Ranger Mike said:
Summary:: not sure Mech Eng is proper forum for this. The 3 Gorges dam in China has very high flooding up river and more rains coming. Will the lack of piling driven to bedrock matter?

Does anyone know if these structures are " tied" togeather via connecting rebar sections? I researched and apparently no piles were drive into bedrock so only the shear weight is anchoring the massive structures
Gravity dam = the weight of the concrete holds the dam in place, which in turn holds back the water.
Piles - not needed to hold the weight of the dam, as the dam would be constructed right on top of the bedrock formation.
Structures connected together = not sure what you mean, what structures?

Since the dam can be several meters wide ( or long, definition wise ) - the 3 gorge is over 2000 meters, some sort of expansion joints would have to in place, every several meters, to accommodate the changing temperatures over the year. Each section should be designed to be structurally stable. One whole solid piece of concrete ...?
 
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Ifin you got all that water building up behind you, one would think you would want to put a stake in the ground to anchor your dam. Drill intor bedrock and tie in the dam so lateral movement isnot going to happen. Especially since you decided to buildon unstable ground to begin with . Three Gorges Dam sits on two major fault lines -- Jiuwanxi and Zigui-Badong. i would have connected each concrete poured portion to the other with re-bar for tension and tied the whole thing togeather... now did this happen?
tell me this is not needed and i am full of beans?? does concrete flex and distort? we are only talkingh about 40% of chinas GDP going out when it brakes..
 
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does concrete flex and distort
It doesn't do well in tension.
Gravity keeps it in compression.

Another failure mode would be tipping.
The hydro static pressure underneath the structure has to be controlled so as to not make the upstream part begin to uplift, or the whole structure begin to attempt to float. Drainage, or no drainage condition, would have to be taken into account. Again, a suitable mass of concrete helps in this regard.
 
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Ranger Mike said:
tell me this is not needed
Not needed for a gravity dam.

The interior of the dam is just filler - say a low grade 10 to 1 mixture, to add compressive resistance and the weight.
The exterior is of higher strength concrete.

Concrete keys are what hold the sections from moving relative to one another, not metal that could corrode, expand and destroy the integrity of the structure. And how would anyone test for that. One would have to add interior walkways and inspection points.
To repair one would then have to drain the "lake" and dig through meters of material.
Out of service for years and years.

It's not like a road that can be ripped up and replaced in suitable time frame.
These things are massive.
 
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excellent info. this is why this forum is so valued! Thank you!