Is the Collatz Conjecture Finally Close to a Proof?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the Collatz Conjecture, specifically exploring attempts to prove or provide insights into the conjecture. Participants discuss various approaches, potential proofs, and related problems, while also addressing the limitations of informal discussions in a forum setting.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant mentions a proof suggesting there cannot be an internal cycle beyond 4:2:1 but acknowledges it does not address the infinite trajectory aspect of the conjecture.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of formal publication for mathematical proofs and expresses skepticism about the likelihood of errors in informal discussions.
  • A participant shares a link to a comprehensive resource on the Collatz problem, questioning the novelty of any new findings given the extensive research already conducted.
  • Suggestions are made to explore parallel problems, such as a "5x+1" version, to gain insights into the Collatz Conjecture.
  • One participant claims to have developed an infinite matrix related to the Collatz Conjecture, asserting it can determine the trajectory of any number and suggesting it proves no number can infinitely increase without returning to 1.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential for loops in the "5x+1" function, with one participant asserting it will lead to loops.
  • A warning is issued regarding the forum's policy against discussing unpublished personal theories, leading to the closure of the thread.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with some proposing new ideas and others cautioning against the validity of unverified claims. There is no consensus on the validity of the proposed proofs or approaches, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the limitations of informal discussions for proving mathematical conjectures and the necessity of formal peer review before any claims can be taken seriously.

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I have been interested in the attempts to prove this Conjecture since 2000 and like many others (eg Ken Conrow) I have tried to find a convincing solution. Today I read on this forum what looks like a proof that there cannot be an internal cycle beyond 4:2:1 but I don't think the author realizes it as that. Of course that still doesn't "prove" the whole conjecture because it does not address an infinitely long trajectory. I wonder if anyone else has done so. I have created a system to account for every integer possible and its first ascent step that may answer the density problem in nearly every proof offered so far.
 
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Write a paper, submit it to a journal. Ideally show it to some colleagues before to check it.
That's how mathematics is done. This forum can't help in that part of the process. If the proof is published we can discuss it here.

Just to be realistic: The most likely result is some error somewhere.
 
Or maybe try "parallel" problems, like , say, a "5x+1" version, to gather insights into the Collatz.
 
Hello all: I have the Collatz Conjecture infinite matrix that binds all numbers to it. By it, I can take any random number that I think of and determine where it resides in the matrix and what "Exchange" path it is destined to. It proves that no number can go infinitely higher and will return to 1, the base unit of our base 10 numbering system. I am now working on the second part of the proof that there can be no loops, with exception of the loop seen if we operate the number 1 in the conjecture. I am very close. I am about to copyright the Matrix and publish it so that mathematicians far better than me can take this even beyond the Collatz Conjecture. Prime numbers show interesting infinite slopes they must adhere to inside the matrix. Sorry, and not to disappoint, but I avoided using Calculus since so many before me found no solution by it. I will take mfb's advice above and submit it to a Journal as well. Just giving all interested the news of my on-and-off year long work on this, which lead me to the epiphany of this wonderful infinite matrix. Best wishes, JED
 
WWGD said:
Or maybe try "parallel" problems, like , say, a "5x+1" version, to gather insights into the Collatz.

I can tell you that the 5x+1 function will deliver you to loops.
 
JED777 said:
I will take mfb's advice above and submit it to a Journal as well.
This is a bad worded. "As well" let's me assume you will publish it here. However, this is not allowed until it will have been published in a renowned scientific journal first. It would cause its removal and eventually a ban of your account, if you confuse the order. We explicitly do not discuss personal theories and we take this rule very serious. We are certainly the wrong place to discuss any work on the Collatz conjecture which hasn't been reviewed before.

To avoid any misunderstandings, I will close this thread.
 

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