Is the distance between AB and BC the same using the given coordinates?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining whether the distances between points A, B, and C, given their coordinates, are equal. Participants explore the use of the distance formula and the concept of collinearity to address the problem.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest using the distance formula to find the lengths of segments AB and BC.
  • Others propose demonstrating that the points are collinear as an alternative approach, which would allow the use of the midpoint formula.
  • One participant calculates the slopes of segments AB and BC, finding them equal, which suggests collinearity.
  • Another participant raises a question about how to determine if point B is the midpoint of segment AC.
  • One participant provides a detailed calculation of the midpoint of segment AC, concluding that it coincides with point B, implying that AB equals BC.
  • There is a discussion about the challenges of uploading images for visual support in the thread.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the methods to explore the problem, such as using the distance formula and checking for collinearity. However, there is no consensus on the necessity of using images or the effectiveness of different methods for demonstrating the relationships between the points.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express limitations in their ability to upload images, which may affect the clarity of the discussion. The exploration of collinearity and midpoints relies on the assumption that the points are in a two-dimensional plane.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students or individuals interested in geometry, particularly those learning about distance, slopes, and midpoints in coordinate systems.

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Given A(-4, 6), B(-1, 2), and C(2, -2), show that AB = BC.

Can I use the distance formula in this case?
 
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Yes, the distance formula would work, or if you can show the 3 points are collinear, then you could use the mid-point formula. :)
 
MarkFL said:
Yes, the distance formula would work, or if you can show the 3 points are collinear, then you could use the mid-point formula. :)

Can you show me your way?
 

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RTCNTC said:
Can you show me your way?

In order for three points to be collinear, we can pick any two distinct sets of two points from the set of three to form two line segments, and those two line segments will have the same slope if the three points are collinear.

What are the slopes of the line segments $\overline{AB}$ and $\overline{BC}$ ?
 

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Please attach the images inline...otherwise they won't show up in the "Topic Review" and having them show up there can be helpful when replying to a thread. Please see this thread:

http://mathhelpboards.com/questions-comments-feedback-25/attachment-image-line-21253.html

for instructions on posting attached images inline. :)
 
Let m = slope

(-4,6) and (-1,2)

m(AB) = (2-6)/(-1-(-4))

m(AB) = (-4)/(-1+4)

m(A,B) = -4/3

(-1,2) and (2,-2)m(BC) = (-2-2)/(2-(-1))

m(BC) = (-4)/(2+1)

m(BC) = -4/3

I see that m(AB) = m(BC).

What does this tell me?
 
MarkFL said:
Please attach the images inline...otherwise they won't show up in the "Topic Review" and having them show up there can be helpful when replying to a thread. Please see this thread:

http://mathhelpboards.com/questions-comments-feedback-25/attachment-image-line-21253.html

for instructions on posting attached images inline. :)

This does not work for me. I do not have a computer. I tried several times. It let's me select from my files but does not me upload the selected image.

I use my cell phone for all my internet work. I honestly do not have a computer in my room. What is wrong with uploading images by MathMagic Lite as I have been doing so far.
 
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RTCNTC said:
Let m = slope

(-4,6) and (-1,2)

m(AB) = (2-6)/(-1-(-4))

m(AB) = (-4)/(-1+4)

m(A,B) = -4/3

(-1,2) and (2,-2)m(BC) = (-2-2)/(2-(-1))

m(BC) = (-4)/(2+1)

m(BC) = -4/3

I see that m(AB) = m(BC).

What does this tell me?

It tells you the three points are collinear...now, is point $B$ the midpoint of $\overline{AC}$ ?

RTCNTC said:
This does not work for me. I do not have a computer. I tried several times. It let's me select from my files but does not me upload the selected image.
I use my cell phone for all my internet work. I honestly do not have a computer in my room. What is wrong with uploading images by MathMagic Lite as I have been doing so far.

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How can I tell if point B is the midpoint of line segment AC?
 
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RTCNTC said:
How can I tell if point B is the midpoint of line segment AC?

Use the midpoint formula with the endpoints of $\overline{AC}$ and see if the resulting coordinates match those of point $B$. :)

Suppose the three given points were not collinear...can you think of a plan that would still allow you to use the midpoint formula?
 
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From now on, no more than two math questions whenever I decide to visit the MHB. I feel that less questions per visit leads to a more thorough reply and discussion per question.
 
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As a follow-up to everything I posted, let's first find the mid-point $\left(x_M,y_M\right)$ of $\overline{AC}$:

$$\left(x_M,y_M\right)=\left(\frac{-4+2}{2},\frac{6+(-2)}{2}\right)=(-1,2)$$

This is point $B$ and so we know:

$$\overline{AB}=\overline{BC}$$

Now, suppose we have two points in the plane, points $A=\left(x_A,y_A\right)$ and $C=\left(x_C,y_C\right)$. Now, the locus of all points $B=\left(x_B,y_B\right)$ equidistant from both $A$ and $C$ can be found by using the distance formula:

$$\left(x_B-x_A\right)^2+\left(y_B-y_A\right)^2=\left(x_B-x_C\right)^2+\left(y_B-y_C\right)^2$$

Expand:

$$x_B^2-2x_Ax_B+x_A^2+y_B^2-2y_Ay_B+y_A^2=x_B^2-2x_Bx_C+x_C^2+y_B^2-2y_By_C+y_C^2$$

Combine like terms:

$$-2x_Ax_B+x_A^2-2y_Ay_B+y_A^2=-2x_Bx_C+x_C^2-2y_By_C+y_C^2$$

Arrange linear equation in point-slope form:

$$y_B-\frac{y_A+y_C}{2}=\frac{x_C-x_A}{y_C-y_A}\left(x_B-\frac{x_A+x_C}{2}\right)$$

As we should expect, we see this is the line perpendicular to the segment $\overline{AC}$ and passing through the midpoint of $\overline{AC}$. (Yes)
 
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Mark:

Wonderful job!
 

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